Living with COVID: A CBC News Virtual Town Hall

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Living with COVID: A CBC News Virtual Town Hall

BORDERS SHUT THREE MILLION JOBS AND COUNTING NOW GONE >> Duncan: WHILE DANGER OF THE VIRUS ISN’T GONE, WE’RE LEARNING HOW TO LIVE WITH IT CANADA IS GETTING READY FOR A DIFFERENT KIND OF SUMMER AS WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET BACK TO WORK AND LIFE SAFELY >> Rosemary: TONIGHT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PATH FORWARD, YOUR ISSUES, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, AS CANADA STARTS TO REOPEN WE’LL PUT THEM TO HEALTH EXPERTS AND YOUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS, INCLUDING FINANCE MINISTER BILL MORNEAU [ ♪♪♪ ] >> RIGHT NOW, I’M FACED WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF TERROR AND DESIRE FOR OPTIMISM >> WORRYING ABOUT ALL OF MY EMPLOYEES AND MY BILLS >> I HAD TO CANCEL EVERYTHING >> I WAS USED TO GOING TO SEE MY MOM ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK >> I DON’T THINK THINGS ARE GOING TO GO BACK TO NORMAL >> I’VE GOT SOME OPTIMISM >> A LOT OF CATCHING UP TO DO >> DIGITALLY, PEOPLE ARE FORMING A SENSE OF COMMUNITY >> JUST STAY HOME >> AND KEEP HOPING SO EVERYTHING GETS BETTER >> Rosemary: THIS IS A CBC NEWS SPECIAL VIRTUAL TOWN HALL, LIVING WITH COVID >>> WE’RE HERE ON CBC NEWS NETWORK, CBC RADIO ONE AND ALSO STREAMING AROUND THE WORLD ONLINE AND ON CBC GEM OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF HOURS, I’LL BRING QUESTIONS AND ISSUES TO LEADERS OF ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT AND WE’LL TALK TO YOU, CANADIANS FROM EVERY PART OF THE COUNTRY >> Duncan: I’LL BE LISTENING TO YOU AT HOME, YOUR REACTION THIS IS A LIVE TOWN HALL, SO WE WANT YOU TO HAVE YOUR SAY YOU CAN TWEET ME, E-MAIL US AT COVID AT CBC.CA >> Rosemary: A TOWN HALL UNLIKE ANY OTHER, BUT WE’RE LIVING IN A TIME LIKE ANY OTHER AND IN A FEW MINUTES WE’RE GOING TO HEAR FROM YOU CANADIANS WHO ARE TRYING TO NAVIGATE YOUR WAY THROUGH THIS HEALTH CRISIS BUT ALSO AN ECONOMIC ONE FOR MANY OF YOU I’LL PUT YOUR QUESTIONS TO THE MINISTER OF FINANCE LET’S FIRST TAKE A LOOK AT THE AVALANCHE OF GOVERNMENT FUNDING THAT HAS BEEN PUMPED INTO THE ECONOMY TO TRY TO KEEP CANADA AND CANADIANS GOING >> Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: $82 BILLION, MORE THAN $77 MILLION, $100 MILLION, WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE’LL BE THERE TO HELP YOU >> Rosemary: THE ANNOUNCEMENTS STARTED IN MARCH MILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS AT A TIME MONEY FIRST TO HELP WORKERS OUT OF A JOB AND BUSINESSES NOT ALLOWED TO OPEN >> Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: THE CANADA EMERGENCY RESPONSE BENEFIT WILL PROVIDE $2,000 A MONTH WE’RE FACILITATING A WAGE SUBSIDY UP TO 75% >> Rosemary: THEN CAME $9 BILLION TO HELP POST-SECONDARY STUDENTS, $2.35 BILLION FOR SENIORS AND MONEY FOR FARMERS >> Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: $125 MILLION NATIONAL AGRI-RECOVERY INITIATIVE >> Rosemary: ALL OF IT ADDING UP IT A STAGGERING TOTAL MORE THAN $150 BILLION AND COUNTING >> Rosemary: THE QUESTION, OF COURSE, ARE THESE MEASURES HELPING CANADIANS? IS THIS ENOUGH? THIS WOMAN WAS LAID OFF FROM HER JOB AND JOINS ME NOW FROM SURREY, BRITISH COLUMBIA GOOD TO SEE YOU, YOU WERE LAID OFF, NOT SURPRISINGLY AS HOTELS AND THE TOURISM SECTOR CLOSED DOWN WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO HELP YOURSELF AND HOW HAS THE GOVERNMENT HELPED YOU? >> UM, THE GOVERNMENT HELPED US WITH THE CERB, THE $2,000 BENEFIT THAT THEY’RE GIVING US, BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, THERE IS NOT MUCH AVAILABLE FOR THE WORKERS AND IT’S PRETTY DISAPPOINTING, BUT WE’RE HOPING IN THE LONG RUN, OR LONG-TERM, THE GOVERNMENT WILL FIGURE OUT SOMETHING FOR THE WORKERS ESPECIALLY IN MY INDUSTRY, WE’RE THE MOST HARD HIT BECAUSE WE RELY ON TOURISM FOR OUR BUSINESS AND FOR OUR WORK AND SEEING HOW THINGS RIGHT NOW, IT’S GOING TO BE A WHILE BEFORE PEOPLE WANT TO TRAVEL OR STAY IN HOTELS >> Rosemary: AND I THINK, YOUR ISSUE IS MORE COMPLICATED, BECAUSE THE $2,000 IS NOT JUST HELPING YOU, IT’S HELPING YOUR DAUGHTER IN THE PHILIPPINES, IS THAT RIGHT? >> YEAH SO ASIDE FROM MYSELF, I’M HELPING A FAMILY IN THE PHILIPPINES AND I’M SENDING THEM MONEY MOSTLY EVERY MONTH AND LIVING IN VANCOUVER IS EXPENSIVE MY RENT IS ALMOST $1500

$500 IS LEFT FOR FOOD AND GROCERIES AND THAT’S NOTHING AND I AM USING OTHER RESOURCES LIKE CREDIT CARD TO STAY AFLOAT >> Rosemary: AND HOW LONG DO YOU THINK YOU CAN GO ON LIKE THAT, NYM? >> UM, IT’S NOT LONG LIKE, AFTER A COUPLE OF MONTHS, AND I’M NOT JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I’M SPEAKING FOR MY COWORKERS, THE HOTEL INDUSTRY, AND I’M SURE A LOT OF US, NOT JUST HOSPITAL INDUSTRY IS HIT HARD WITH THIS THE MAJORITY OF WORKERS ARE STRUGGLING AND IT’S VERY DEVASTATING FOR EVERYONE TO NAVIGATE IN THIS HARD TIME >> Rosemary: SURE I’M GOING TO TALK TO THE FINANCE MINISTER IN A MOMENT IF YOU HAD ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO ASK HIM, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO HIM? >> I’D LIKE THE GOVERNMENT TO THINK OF HELPING WORKERS IN THE LONG-TERM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT’S FINE, BUT AFTER MAYBE A MONTH OR TWO, WE’RE NOT OKAY WE’LL LOSE HALF OF OUR WAGES AND THAT’S VERY HARD, BUT WE CAN MANAGE FOR SHORT-TERM LONG-TERM, WE NEED THE GOVERNMENT TO THINK ABOUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO SURVIVE AS AN INDUSTRY, AS I’VE SAID LIKE WE RELY ON TOURISM AND IT’S GOING TO BE A WHILE BEFORE IT COMES BACK WHO KNOWS IF WE’RE GOING TO COME BACK THIS YEAR WE’RE THINKING MORE LIKELY IT’S GOING TO TAKE 18-24 MONTHS TO RECOVER AND LOSING OUR JOB, WE ALSO LOSE OUR HEALTH BENEFITS AND OUR RIGHT TO RETURN TO WORK AS WELL, SO WE’RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT FINANCIALLY, BUT WE’RE LOOKING WITH A BIG PICTURE IN OUR FUTURE AND IT’S VERY SAD BECAUSE A LOT OF US, WE HAVE PUT, 20, 30, 40 YEARS OF OUR LIVES DOING THIS JOB, AND IT’S — IT’S SO DEVASTATING THAT WE DON’T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS AND NO ONE CAN ANSWER FOR THAT RIGHT NOW WE’RE JUST WAITING FOR — FOR WHAT IS AVAILABLE TO US, AND THE $2,000 AND I’M SURE IT’S NOT ENOUGH >> Rosemary: OKAY THANK YOU SO MUCH I’LL PUT SOME OF THAT TO THE FINANCE MINISTER I WISH YOU GOOD HEALTH AND GOOD LUCK THERE THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING WITH US >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME >> Rosemary: SHE’S UNEMPLOYED RIGHT NOW IN SURREY, BRITISH COLUMBIA ON THAT NOTE, THE FINANCE MINISTER, BILL MORNEAU, WHO HAS BEEN LEADING SO MUCH OF THIS, REALLY, BRIDGE FINANCING SUPPORT IT’S NOT REALLY — IT’S NOTHING MORE THAN THAT RIGHT NOW WE’RE JUST TRYING TO GET PAST THIS LET’S TALK ABOUT WHAT NYM HAS SAID THERE THE CERB, OBVIOUSLY NOT AS MUCH AS SHE WAS GETTING IN HER JOB, BUT ALSO WONDERING WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE? SHOULD WE EXPECT THAT BENEFIT TO BE EXTENDED? >> I THINK THE PLACE TO START IS JUST TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WHAT NYM IS TALKING ABOUT, THAT’S WHAT WE’RE THINKING ABOUT AS WE STARTED DOWN THE PATH, HOW ARE WE GOING TO ACTUALLY HELP CANADIANS THROUGH SUCH AN INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TIME, WHETHER IT’S FOR HER OR HER DAUGHTER OR FOR CANADIANS IN SO MANY DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY AND SO MANY DIFFERENT SECTORS IT’S EXACTLY WHAT WE’RE THINKING ABOUT AND WE’RE THINKING ABOUT BRIDGING PEOPLE THROUGH A DIFFICULT TIME I THINK SHE’S CORRECT IN SAYING THAT FOR SOME IT’S GOING TO BE A LONG DIFFICULT TIME WE’RE THINKING ABOUT MULTIPLE WAYS TO HELP THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE BENEFIT, IT’S HELPING MILLIONS OF CANADIANS MORE THAN 7.5 MILLION CANADIANS ARE ON THIS BENEFIT, WHICH TELLS YOU THE SCALE OF THE CHALLENGE, BUT ALSO THE SCALE OF THE SUPPORT FOR LONGER TERM, WE’RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE SUPPORT BUSINESSES THAT ARE EMPLOYING PEOPLE TO GET THROUGH THIS TIME, WHETHER THEY’RE SMALL BUSINESSES OR LARGE BUSINESSES, SO THAT PEOPLE LIKE NYM WILL HAVE A JOB WHEN THIS COMES >> Rosemary: EXCEPT FOR THIS SECTOR IS ONE THAT IS GOING TO BE AFFECTED DIFFERENTLY AND PROBABLY LONGER BECAUSE IT’S THE HOTEL INDUSTRY, TOURISM, WE DON’T EXPECT THAT TO BOUNCE BACK COULD YOU LOOK AT THE CERB PERHAPS BEING TARGETED TO INDUSTRIES IF NEEDED? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD CONSIDER? HOW WOULD YOU GAUGE WHETHER IT NEEDS TO BE EXTENDED? >> Hon. Bill Morneau: WHAT WE’RE LOOKING AT NOW IS HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE BUSINESSES TO KEEP THEIR WORKERS ATTACHED TO THEM THAT’S WHY THE PRIME MINISTER ANNOUNCED LAST WEEK WE’RE LOOKING AT THE WAGE SUBSIDY THAT KEEPS PEOPLE ATTACHED TO THEIR BUSINESS EXTENDING THAT AND THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN DO THAT IN A WAY THAT SUPPORTS JOBS THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE BENEFIT AND THE EMPLOYMENT INSURANCE SYSTEM, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW THOSE WORK TOGETHER IT’S GOING TO BE COMPLICATED FOR SURE WE’RE WORKING THROUGH THAT NOW WHAT WE RECOGNIZE, THOUGH, THE BEST WE CAN DO IS TO SUPPORT

PEOPLE NOW AND TO ENABLE BUSINESSES TO KEEP HAVING OPTIMISM AND HAVING OPPORTUNITIES DOWN THE ROAD SO THAT IF NYM DOESN’T HAVE A ROLE IN THE BUSINESS SHE’S IN RIGHT NOW, THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER ROLE SHE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET BECAUSE WE’VE HELP SO MANY BUSINESSES BRIDGE THROUGH THIS TIME SO THERE WILL MOST CERTAINLY BE BUSINESSES THAT ARE HURT MORE THAN OTHERS, BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGE THAT WE’RE FACING WE’RE TRYING TO SUPPORT THEM WE’RE TRYING TO GIVE THEM THE BRIDGE WE KNOW FOR SOME IT WILL NEED TO BE LONGER >> Rosemary: I’M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU’RE SAYING IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CERB COULD BECOME SOMETHING ELSE, A DIFFERENT KIND OF SUPPORT, BUT THE GOVERNMENT’S PREFERENCE WOULD BE FOR MORE PEOPLE TO BE PUT ON WAGE SUBSIDY? IS THAT FAIR? >> I THINK WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE ALL OF THE INVESTMENTS, AS YOU MENTIONED IN THE OUTSET, THOSE INVESTMENTS ALLOW US TO HAVE A STRONGER ECONOMY TO COME OUT THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE BENEFIT THAT IS A KEY PART OF THE BRIDGING WE’RE GOING TO NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE MOVE TO THE NEW NORMAL AS WE GET TO TRANSITION BACK TO A MORE HOPEFUL TIME >> Rosemary: THE PRIME MINISTER HAS ALREADY SAID THE WAGE SUBSIDY WILL BE EXTENDED ANOTHER MONTH THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE DETAILS THIS WEEK HOW WILL IT BE EXTENDED? WILL IT MEAN THAT MORE COMPANIES CAN APPLY? WILL IT BE A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME? ARE YOU LOOKING AT MONTHS NOW OF OFFERING THE WAGE SUBSIDY? ANYTHING YOU CAN TELL ME THERE? >> Hon. Bill Morneau: THEY WON’T BE ANNOUNCED HERE TONIGHT I WILL TELL YOU, THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE’VE BEEN WORKING ON EVERY DAY OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS IS THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS THE NEXT STEPS? HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE’RE DEALING WITH THIS ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A MIDTERM HOW WE’RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WE’LL HAVE MORE DETAILS, PRETTY CLEAR, IN THE NEXT WHILE, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THE INTENT THE INTENT IS FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO STAY ATTACHED TO THEIR EMPLOYER, TO HAVE OPTIMISM THAT THESE BUSINESSES WILL CONTINUE TO BE SUCCESSFUL THE WAGE SUBSIDY IS A BIG SUPPORT AND OBVIOUSLY THE FINANCING WE PROVIDED FOR BUSINESSES IS ALSO IMPORTANT >> Rosemary: ONE OF THE THINGS THE GOVERNMENT DID ALONG WITH THE PROVINCES IS COME TO AGREEMENT THAT ESSENTIAL WORKERS PAY COULD BE TOPPED UP THE PROVINCE GETS TO DECIDE WHO THE WORKERS ARE, BUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PUT MONEY ON THE TABLE DO YOU THINK LONGER TERM THERE IS A ROLE FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN MAKING SURE THAT WAGE INEQUITIES LIKE THE ONES WE’RE SEEING IN SUCH A DRASTIC WAY RIGHT NOW ARE BETTER PROTECTED? IS THERE A ROLE THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN THE FUTURE FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN DETERMINING THAT OR HELPING THAT >> Hon. Bill Morneau: SO THIS IS THE NATURE OF MANY QUESTIONS THAT ARE COMING MY WAY A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING, SHOULD WE DEAL WITH SYSTEMIC LONG-TERM ISSUES? AND, OF COURSE, THERE WILL BE TIMES FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS RIGHT NOW, WE’RE VERY FOCUSED ON THE EMERGENCY SUPPORTS TO GET PEOPLE THROUGH THIS I THINK THAT DECISION WE TOOK TO MOVE MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO THE PROVINCES FOR LOW-INCOME ESSENTIAL WORKERS, WE LOOKED AT THE CHALLENGES AND THE LONG-TERM CARE SECTOR AND REALIZED WE NEEDED TO FIND A WAY TO BE SUPPORTIVE SO I DIRECTLY WENT TO THE FINANCE MINISTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND SAID WE WANT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT THOSE LOW-INCOME — YOU KNOW THE REAL HEROES WORKING IN PLACES RIGHT NOW — HAVE THE KIND OF SUPPORT THEY NEED NOW, THERE WILL BE A LONGER TERM QUESTION WE’LL NEED TO ADDRESS THAT WE’LL NEED TO ADDRESS THAT COOPERATIVELY WITH THE PROVINCES, BUT IT WILL COME AND IT WILL COME SOON >> Rosemary: WE’RE GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE FOR A MINUTE MINISTER MORNEAU IS GOING TO STAY FOR A FEW MINUTES LONGER NOW THOUGH LET’S GO TO SOMEONE ELSE WHO HAS A QUESTION FOR MINISTER MORNEAU IT SAYS THAT THE GOVERNMENT MEASURES MAY NOT BE ENOUGH TO SAVE HIS BAR CHRISTOPHER OWNS PEGASUS ON CHURCH HE POSTED IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND DIRECTED IT TO POLITICAL LEADERS, INCLUDING THE MAYOR OF TORONTO AND THE FINANCE MINISTER HE’S A BIT OF WHAT THE LETTER SAYS HE WRITES CAN PEGASUS SURVIVE OR DO WE LIKE SEVERAL ON CHURCH STREET THROW IN THE TOWEL AND GIVE UP THE FIGHT CHRISTOPHER JOINS US NOW FROM HIS BAR IN TORONTO VILLAGE GOOD TO SEE YOU, CHRISTOPHER >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT, ROSEMARY >> WHAT IS THE MAIN CONCERN WITH PEGASUS? HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO TAP INTO SMALL BUSINESS LOANS? HOW ARE YOU DOING? >> SURE, WE TAPPED INTO THE $40,000 LOAN THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS EXTENDED WE ALSO HAVE APPLIED FOR THE WAGE SUBSIDY, WHICH IS HELPING PAY SOME OF MY EMPLOYEES, BUT CURRENTLY MY LANDLORD IS UNWILLING TO TAKE THE CECRA PROGRAMME SO THAT LEAVES US WITH THE ENTIRE RENT BILL WHICH IS

EXTREMELY HIGH IN DOWNTOWN TORONTO >> Rosemary: CAN YOU GIVE ME A SENSE OF HOW BIG IT IS? BECAUSE I’M GETTING A SENSE THAT THE 40 GRAND DOESN’T COVER IT? >> WE’RE TALKING TENS OF THOUSANDS AND YOU KNOW, TO GIVE PERSPECTIVE, IT’S TEN TIMES WHAT MY HOUSE PAYMENT IS >> Rosemary: OKAY, YEAH, THAT GIVES ME A LOT OF PERSPECTIVE PARTICULARLY GIVEN HOUSES IN TORONTO ARE EXPENSIVE, TOO YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HELP, BUT YOU’RE NOT MAKING ANY MONEY WHAT WOULD HELP YOU RIGHT NOW? HOW DO YOU PLAN TO SURVIVE IF YOU DO? >> WELL, I MEAN OUR PROJECTIONS SHOW WE CAN GO A FEW MONTHS, BUT WE’RE ALREADY SEEING BUSINESSES ON THE STREET THAT ARE CLOSING BECAUSE THEY CAN’T PAY THE RENT AND IF THIS AREA GOES DOWN, YOU KNOW MY BUSINESS GOES DOWN THIS AREA IS BUILT UPON A DESTINATION AND IT DOESN’T WORK OTHERWISE >> Rosemary: AND SO YOU WOULD WALK AWAY FROM YOUR BUSINESS? HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT? >> I DON’T KNOW I MEAN IT’S WHAT KEEPS ME AWAKE AT NIGHT YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING HELP FROM THE LANDLORD OR BEING ABLE TO TAP INTO THE CECRA PROGRAMME MEANS WE’RE PAYING THE ENTIRE BILL FOR RENT AND HAVING ZERO ACCESS TO USE THE SPACE WE’RE MANDATED CLOSED AT THIS POINT AND WE’LL BE IN THE THIRD WAVE, PROBABLY >> Rosemary: SO THE FINANCE MINISTER IS SITTING HERE IF YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING TO HIM, WHAT WOULD IT BE? >> IF OUR LANDLORDS AREN’T WILLING TO ACCEPT THE PROGRAMME, WILL THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE PROVINCES GIVE US ACCESS DIRECTLY SO THAT AT LEAST WE CAN PAY HALF THE RENT WITH THE 50% THE GOVERNMENT ALREADY SET ASIDE FOR THIS >> Rosemary: THANK YOU I’LL TRY TO GET THAT ANSWERED FOR YOU THAT IS CHRISTOPHER, OWNER OF A BAR CALLED PEGASUS IN DOWNTOWN TORONTO BACK TO THE FINANCE MINISTER, BILL MORNEAU THIS IS SOMETHING I HAVE HEARD A LOT ABOUT OVER THE PAST NUMBER OF WEEKS THE COMMERCIAL RENT PROGRAMME EITHER LANDLORDS DON’T WANT TO DO IT OR THE CONDITIONS ARE JUST TOO HARD FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RENTING IT, FRANKLY, DOESN’T SEEM TO BE WORKING ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PROGRAMME? WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? >> Hon. Bill Morneau: I HAVE A LOT TO SAY TO CHRISTOPHER I DON’T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS, BUT HE’S IN THE AREA THAT I REPRESENT SO I PROBABLY MET CHRISTOPHER >> Rosemary: YEAH, WE MIGHT HAVE DONE THAT ON PURPOSE [LAUGHTER] >> Hon. Bill Morneau: LET ME START WITH THE RENT PROGRAMME FIRST, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I GO ON THE RECORD TO SAY TO ALL THE LANDLORDS OUT THERE, THIS IS A PROGRAMME INTENDED TO PROTECT LANDLORDS AND TO HELP TENANTS SO FOR THE LANDLORDS OUT THERE, WE THINK THEY SHOULD BE MOVING FORWARD TO MAKE USE OF THIS PROGRAMME THEY’RE GETTING GUARANTEE OF 75% NOW I WILL SAY THAT IT IS EARLY DAYS ALL THE DETAILS FOR THE PROGRAMME HAVE NOT BEEN FULLY ANNOUNCED THEY’RE GOING TO BE ANNOUNCED IN THE COMING DAYS I KNOW HOW ANXIOUS CHRISTOPHER MUST BE, BECAUSE IT IS, I’M SURE, GNAWING AT HIM EVERY MOMENT OF EVERY DAY, BUT WE’RE GOING TO SEE MORE AND MORE BUSINESSES SIGN UP FOR THIS I’VE SEEN LARGE NUMBERS ALREADY WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WE’RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE SURE ALL OUR PROGRAMMES ARE WORKING CHRISTOPHER HAS TAKEN THAT $40,000 LOAN, $10,000 OF THAT IS FORGIVABLE HE’S BEEN ABLE TO APPLY FOR THE WAGE SUBSIDY FOR HIS EMPLOYEES, WHICH IS A BIG COST SO WE’RE TRYING TO PROVIDE BROAD BASED SUPPORT FOR SMALL BUSINESSES LIKE HIS AND WE’LL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE PROGRAMME I’VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR THE PROVINCES TO ALSO STEP UP IT’S A PROVINCIAL JURISDICTION THAT WE STEPPED IN BECAUSE WE’RE TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO SOLVE FOR THIS >> Rosemary: IT SOUNDS LIKE CHRISTOPHER IS GOING TO LOSE HIS BUSINESS BECAUSE HIS LANDLORD IS NOT INTERESTED IN TAKING PART IN THE PROGRAMME THERE IS REALLY NO INCENTIVE FOR THE LANDLORD TO TAKE PART? >> Hon. Bill Morneau: THERE IS A HUGE INCENTIVE >> Rosemary: WHAT WOULD THAT BE? >> NUMBERS LIKE LANDLORDS GETTING 15% OF THE PAYMENT LAST MONTH WHAT THE LANDLORD GETS BY TAKING THIS IS 75% OF THE RENT GUARANTEED THAT THIS MEANS IS FOR THE TENT LIKE CHRISTOPHER, HE PAYS 25% THE LANDLORD IS GIVEN 25% OFF, BUT 50% IS COMING THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, SHARED WITH THE PROVINCES SO THERE IS A BIG INCENTIVE I’M ENCOURAGING LANDLORDS TO DO THIS I DO THINK THERE IS A LOT OF CHALLENGES OBVIOUSLY WITH EVERY PROGRAMME WE PUT OUT BECAUSE WE’RE TRYING TO GET THEM OUT QUICKLY TO SOLVE FOR THE BIGGEST NUMBER OF PEOPLE AS WE LOOK AT THEM, WE’RE MAKING ADJUSTMENTS WHERE ADJUSTMENTS CAN BE MADE A GOOD EXAMPLE IS THAT BUSINESS ACCOUNT, 600,000 BUSINESSES HAVE APPLIED AND GOTTEN THE MONEY, BUT WE’RE STILL LOOKING AT — >> Rosemary: I GET THAT YOU

THINK THAT IS AN INCENTIVE FOR LANDLORDS, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT LANDLORDS SAY, SORRY, GO INTO DEBT, FIND A SOLUTION, WE’RE NOT WILLING TO PLAY BALL HERE AND THAT IS LARGELY WHAT I’M HEARING FROM PEOPLE SO I GET OTHER THAN YOU APPEALING TO THEM TO DO IT, I’M WONDERING WHAT ELSE YOU CAN DO? CHRISTOPHER’S IDEA WAS NOT A TERRIBLE ONE WHY NOT GIVE THE 50% TO THE PEOPLE RENTING THE PROPERTIES? >> Hon. Bill Morneau: THAT’S ONE OF THE THINGS WE’RE TRYING TO TAKE IN THAT IS PARTICULARLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO EXECUTE ON BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY AREN’T RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LANDLORD TENANT SITUATION IN THE PROVINCE IT’S NOT A FEDERAL JURISDICTION, WHEREAS THE MORTGAGE IS A FEDERAL JURISDICTION THAT’S THE REASON WE CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA WHAT I CAN TELL YOU, WE’RE LOOKING AT EVERY PROGRAMME WE’RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO GET CAPITAL TO PEOPLE LIKE CHRISTOPHER SO LOANS THAT CAN BRIDGE THEM THROUGH THIS TIME I KNOW IT’S GOING TO BE CHALLENGING IN THE BUSINESS HE’S IN, IN A BAR-RESTAURANT I’M SURE HE’S WORRIED ABOUT WHEN HE’S GOING TO BE ABLE TO OPEN UP WE’RE WORRIED, TOO BUT I THINK WE PROVIDED SUPPORT IN MULTIPLE WAYS THAT ARE GOING TO HELP A VERY LARGE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES >> Rosemary: YOU RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME CRACKS IN PROGRAMMES AND THIS SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THEM? >> Hon. Bill Morneau: THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY CHALLENGES WE’RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH EVERY SINGLE DAY AND WE DON’T HAVE ANSWERS TO EVERY ONE OF THEM THE NEXT DAY, BUT WE’RE TRYING TO FIX THEM AS WE GO ALONG WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO FIX EVERYTHING WE’RE SEEING THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF LANDLORDS SIGNING UP FOR THIS RENT APPROACH SO WE WILL KEEP WORKING ON IT, WE’LL THINK ABOUT WAYS TO IMPROVE IT, MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE, BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO DO WITH ALL OF OUR PROGRAMMES >> Rosemary: ANOTHER QUESTION FROM TERRY LYNN THIS IS WHAT SHE SAYS >> HI, I’M THE PROUD OWNER AND OPERATOR OF PET IN MOUNT PEARL NEWFOUNDLAND MY BUSINESS HAS BEEN RUNNING FOR FIVE YEARS BUT HAS HAD TO SHUT ITS DOORS DUE TO COVID-19 MY STAFF MEMBERS AND MYSELF ARE ON THE $500 A WEEK PROGRAMME MY LANDLORD IS WORKING WITH US WITH THE RELIEF PROGRAMME FROM THE GOVERNMENT FOR RENTAL THE GOVERNMENT IS ALSO OFFERING SMALL BUSINESS LOANS THAT NEED TO BE REPAID UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IS THE PART THAT HURTS, THE REPAYMENT FOR SMALL BUSINESSES NOT ALL SMALL BUSINESSES ARE ABLE TO DO THAT IS THERE ANY WAY THE GOVERNMENT, INSTEAD OF OFFERING SMALL LOANS, ARE ABLE TO OFFER GRANTS TO GET US GOING AGAIN? >> Rosemary: THERE AGAIN, A RECOGNITION THAT SHE USED THE LOAN, SHE’S HAPPY FOR IT, BUT VERY WORRIED ABOUT HAVING TO PAY IT BACK LATER IS THAT A SET IN STONE POLICY AT THIS STAGE, TOO, THAT IT’S ONLY 10,000 FORGIVABLE WILL YOU COMMIT TO REEXAMINING THAT? >> Hon. Bill Morneau: WE’VE TAKEN A LOOK AT THE CREDIT WE’RE SUPPORTING BUSINESSES WITH AND MADE IT IS THE LEAST EXPENSIVE OR THE SMALLEST OF BUSINESSES SO FOR THAT SMALL BUSINESS, WHICH I APPRECIATE IS GOING THROUGH A TOUGH TIME AND A LOT OF THE PROGRAMMES ARE CLEARLY WORKING, THEY CAN GET A $40,000 LOAN AS YOU KNOW AND THEY CAN GET 25% FORGIVABLE THAT LOAN IS INTEREST-FREE SO IT’S INTEREST-FREE FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS THAT IS A VERY, VERY GOOD SET OF TERMS TO TRY TO HELP THROUGH FOR THE BIGGER BUSINESSES, THEY’RE GETTING ACCESS TO MORE CAPITAL BECAUSE THEY NEED MORE, THEY’RE ON MORE COMMERCIAL TERMS AND FOR THE LARGEST OF BUSINESSES IT’S MORE EXPENSIVE THAT’S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE’RE TREATING PEOPLE AND BUSINESSES FAIRLY SO WE THINK THAT WHAT WE’VE COME UP WITH IS AN APPROACH THAT IS APPROPRIATE SIZE OF THE GRANT WE’RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT WHETHER ACTUALLY THE LOAN CAN BE APPLIED TO A BROADER RANGE OF BUSINESSES BECAUSE WE’RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE HIT THEM AS I SAID, IT HIT 600,000 FOR NOW WHAT WE THINK IS APPROPRIATE IS THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE BENEFIT, THE $2,000 A MONTH THAT THE PEOPLE IN THAT STORE AND THAT ORGANIZATION ARE TAKING THE SMALL BUSINESS LOAN I’M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THE RENT PROGRAMME IS WORKING FOR HER AND HER LANDLORD AND WE’LL CONTINUE LOOKING AT THIS BECAUSE IT’S DYNAMIC >> Rosemary: A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS YOU’VE TOLD CANADIANS TIME AND AGAIN AS HAS THE PRIME MINISTER WE’RE IN A GOOD POSITION TO TAKE ON DEBT AND WE’RE CERTAINLY DOING THAT NOW OUR DEBT IS PROBABLY NEARING A TRILLION DOLLARS AT THIS POINT HOW DOES THAT PLAY OUT, THOUGH? I KNOW WHAT YOUR ANSWER IS GOING TO BE, WE’RE JUST TRYING TO GET THROUGH THIS PERIOD OF TIME BUT THE REALITY IS THE GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE TO FIND SOURCES OF REVENUE AND THAT WILL HAPPEN BY TAXING PEOPLE OR CUTTING THINGS HAVE YOU HAD A MOMENT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT WILL BE? BECAUSE I THINK CANADIANS DESERVE TO KNOW WHAT IS COMING DOWN THE TRACK? >> Hon. Bill Morneau: MORE THAN A MOMENT

OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS CONSUMING MANY OF US, WHAT THE CHALLENGES WILL BE AFTER I THINK THE WAY I’VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS FROM DAY ONE IS BY SUPPORTING PEOPLE AND BUSINESSES WE PRESERVE THE STRENGTH OF OUR ECONOMY COMING OUT OF THIS SO WE HAD A REALLY GREAT FISCAL POSITION GOING INTO THIS WE’RE MAKING SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS IN PEOPLE AND BUSINESSES TO BRIDGE US THROUGH THIS SO THE BEST WAY WE CAN COME OUT OF THIS AFTER IS IF WE HAVE A STRONG ECONOMY GROW THE ECONOMY SO WE CAN ACTUALLY DEAL WITH THE CHALLENGE WE’RE GOING TO FACE IN GETTING TO A RESTART THAT WILL BE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE’RE NOT THINKING ABOUT RAISING TAXES WHAT WE’RE THINKING ABOUT IS PRESERVING OUR ECONOMY FOR THE FUTURE, MAKING SURE WE CAN GET BACK TO A VIBRANT PLACE >> Rosemary: ARE YOU SAYING WE CAN GROW OUR WAY OUT OF THIS MASSIVE DEFICIT? IS THAT WHAT THIS INTERACTION IS? WHAT WE’RE LOOKING FOR? >> Hon. Bill Morneau: WHAT I’M SAYING RIGHT NOW, IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE CAN DO IS PRESERVE AND ENHANCE OUR POSITION FOR AFTER COMPARATIVELY, IF WE HADN’T MADE THESE INVESTMENTS WE’D BE IN A MUCH MORE DIFFICULT SITUATION THAT’S THE STARTING POINT WE WANT AFTER AND, YES, WE’LL FACE TOUGH CHOICES AFTER NOBODY IS SAYING THIS IS AN EASY THING WE’RE GOING THROUGH NO ONE IS SAYING WE’RE NOT MAKING INVESTMENTS WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO FACE UP TO BUT THE BEST WAY TO FACE UP TO THAT IS BY HAVING THAT RESILIENT ECONOMY AFTER AND GETTING US BACK TO WORK I HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF CONFIDENCE IN CANADIANS AND THE EDUCATION SYSTEM WE HAVE, THE ABILITY TO BE RESILIENT AND IF WE CAN PRESERVE THAT BUSINESS SECTOR, WE’LL BE UP TO THE CHALLENGES >> Rosemary: THERE HAS BEEN TALK ABOUT LONG-TERM CARE CENTRES IN THE COUNTRY IT IS THE TRAGEDY OF THE PANDEMIC IS THIS A PLACE WHERE THE GOVERNMENT WILL SEE FUTURE HEALTH TRANSFERS? WE KNOW THAT THE PROVINCES HAVE STRUGGLED TAKING ON MORE AND MORE OF THE SPENDING FOR HEALTH CARE SINCE THE 90s AND SOME OF THAT, THEY HAVE OUTSOURCED CARE INTO PRIVATE HOMES FOR LONG-TERM CARE CENTRES OR THEY’VE NOT PUT ENOUGH INTO THOSE PLACES IT’S QUITE APPARENT NOW THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PREPARED TO, IN SOME CAPACITY, THINK ABOUT — AT LEAST THINK ABOUT REINVESTING NEW MONEY INTO THAT PART OF OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM >> Hon. Bill Morneau: WELL, LET ME JUST START BY ACKNOWLEDGING THE QUESTION OF THE THINGS THAT ALL OF US KNOW IS WHEN WE OPEN UP OUR NEWSPAPERS AND SEE THE TV, THIS IS JUST A HUGE AND GROWING PROBLEM ANY OF US WHO KNOW PEOPLE IN OLD AGE CARE CENTRES, PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE RIGHT NOW ARE FEELING ANXIOUS WE KNOW THERE IS A PROBLEM WE KNOW WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET AT THAT PROBLEM I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, WE’RE FOCUSED ON THE MORE IMMEDIATE THE REASON WE PUT THAT LOW-INCOME ESSENTIAL WORKER FUND TO THE PROVINCES IS TO DEAL WITH THE IMMEDIATE AND GETTING THROUGH THIS CHALLENGING TIME WHEN IT SETTLES DOWN, WE’RE GOING TO NEED TO SIT DOWN TOGETHER AND THINK ABOUT HOW TO REFORM THE SYSTEM I THINK IT WOULD BE PREMATURE FOR ME TO TELL YOU I KNOW HOW IT’S GOING TO WORK OUT, BUT IT’S CLEARLY GOING TO BE SOMETHING ON ALL OF OUR MINDS AND IT’S A RESPONSIBILITY WE ALL NEED TO TAKE SERIOUSLY, BECAUSE IT’S CLEARLY A FAILURE IN OUR SYSTEM >> Rosemary: JUST TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING YOU SAID ABOUT NOT RAISING TAXES SO I CAN MAKE THAT CLEAR TO MAIDS THERE IS NO INCREASE IN THE G.S.T., THAT’S NOT ON THE TABLE? >> Hon. Bill Morneau: THAT’S NOT WHAT WE’RE THINKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW WE’RE THINKING ABOUT PRESERVING OUR ECONOMY SO WE CAN BE STRONG AFTER I KNOW PEOPLE WILL ASK PEOPLE LIKE YOU, THE DETAILS OF WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN 2022? THAT WOULD BE — WE KNOW THAT PRESERVING OUR ECONOMY TO COME OUT OF THIS IS GOING TO MAKE US STRONGER AND WE KNOW THAT WE’RE GOING TO NEED TO FACE UP TO THE CHALLENGES WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THE RAISING TAXES IS NOT WHAT CANADIANS WANT US TO DO SO WE’RE GOING TO NEED TO FACE UP TO IT WE’RE GOING TO NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT CHALLENGE >> Rosemary: I’M NOT ASKING YOU TO MAKE DECISIONS NOW I GET THERE IS LOTS OF UNKNOWNS, BUT IF YOU’RE NOT GOING TO RAISE TAXES AND THAT’S NOT THE DIRECTION YOU GO IN, THEN OBVIOUSLY SPENDING HAS TO BE TIGHTENED IN SOME WAY? >> Hon. Bill Morneau: THERE WILL BE CHALLENGES, ROSY, YOU AND I BOTH KNOW IT AND THE BEST WAY TO DEAL WITH THE CHALLENGES IS BY DEALING WITH WHAT IMMEDIATELY IS FACING THE PEOPLE TODAY WHETHER IT’S NYM, SHE CAN GET A JOB, WHETHER IT’S CHRIS, HE STILL HAS HIS ESTABLISHMENT, SO WE CAN PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF AND HAVE A STRONG ECONOMY TO GET BACK TO BUSINESS AND SUPPORT OUR FAMILIES THAT’S THE FUNDAMENTAL THING WE’RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE THEN WE’LL FACE UP TO THE TOUGH

QUESTIONS TOGETHER AFTER >> Rosemary: OKAY I KNOW YOU’RE A VERY BUSY MAN YOU’RE PROBABLY NOT SLEEPING MUCH AND I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME AND CANADIANS APPRECIATE IT, TOO THAT’S FINANCE MINISTER BILL MORNEAU ALL RIGHT, LET’S GO TO DUNCAN WHO, OF COURSE, IS MONITORING SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND THINGS YOU MIGHT BE SAYING AND QUESTIONS FOR GUESTS COMING UP >> Duncan: AS YOU SAID EARLIER, THIS IS NOT OUR NORMAL KIND OF TOWN HALL HERE IN THE ATRIUM, IT IS DEADLY QUIET THERE IS NO ONE HERE BUT ONLINE THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF CANADIANS WEIGHING IN, SHARING OPINIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT THE ECONOMY WHEN YOU TALKED WITH NYM, THE HOTEL WORKER, LOTS OF PEOPLE EXPRESSING CONCERN ABOUT WOMEN IN PARTICULAR WE KNOW THAT WOMEN ARE BEING ADVERSELY IMPACTED BY THIS IN THE RETAIL, THE FOOD, THE ACCOMMODATION, OFFICE SUPPORT WORKERS THOSE SECTORS HAVE BEEN HARD HIT AND HITTING WOMEN IN PARTICULAR, SO WE’RE GETTING LOTS OF COMMENTS ABOUT THAT ALSO, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING WITH THE FINANCE MINISTER, BILL MORNEAU, ABOUT LANDLORDS AND LANDLORDS STEPPING UP MICHELE JOHNSON ON Facebook WEIGHED IN AND SAID, LANDLORDS SHOULD STEP UP, TAKE THE 75% CHANCES ARE YOU’RE GOING TO GET ZERO IF THESE PLACES GO BANKRUPT STAY SAFE, EVERYBODY I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TRYING TO KEEP A STIFF UPPER LIP, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE VERY, VERY WORRIED GARRISON HILL SENT US A TWEET NO STRAIGHT ANSWER FROM BILL, BUT YOU TRIED I’M 25-YEAR VETERAN IN THE CANADIAN MUSIC INDUSTRY AND WE ARE DECIMATED PROJECTIONS ARE 18-24 MONTHS BEFORE WE CAN WORK MANY ARE SOLE PROPRIETORS SO THERE IS NO WAGE SUBSIDY, JUST CERB, HELP AND ON CROSS COUNTRY CHECKUP LAST WEEK, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ART SECTOR AND HOW HARD THEY’VE BEEN HIT TORONTO RESIDENT SENT US THIS TWEET IMAGINE IF CITIZENS DIDN’T GET FUNDING BE GRATEFUL RIGHT NOW, IT COULD BE WORSE SO YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE TRYING TO PUT A BRAVE FACE ON IT BUT LET’S CHECK IN WE WANT TO SEE HOW FOLKS ARE DOING ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH THE MAY LONG WEEKEND COMING UP, KIND OF MARKS THE UNOFFICIAL START OF SUMMER THIS YEAR, THOUGH, OF COURSE, IT WILL BE A LOT DIFFERENT THAN USUAL CBC NEWS HAS BEEN ASKING CANADIANS RIGHT ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHAT THEY’RE EXPECTING FROM THE SEASON SO FIRST UP, VANCOUVER WHERE THE WEATHER IS ALREADY PRETTY SUMMER-LIKE >> I THINK WE’RE GOING TO SEE MUCH OF WHAT WE’VE SEEN ON ALL OUR SUNNY WEEKENDS RIGHT THROUGH THE COVID-19 CRISIS PEOPLE WILL BE GATHERING IN PLACES LIKE THIS, NOT TRAVELLING FAR, BUT GATHERING >> I DON’T THINK TOO MUCH IS GOING TO CHANGE FOR A LITTLE BIT I’M EXPECTING WHAT IS GOING ON NOW FOR THE REST OF THE SUMMER >> WE HOPE THEY MAINTAIN THE DISTANCING AND THE SIMPLE THINGS AND RELAX AND ENCOURAGE THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITY >> HONESTLY, I THINK PEOPLE ARE GETTING SICK OF IT AND IT’S GOING TO BE A NORMAL SUMMER, BUT I THINK THE SOCIAL DISTANCING WILL BE IN PLACE >> I KIND OF EXPECT THAT LIFE IS PRETTY MUCH NOT GOING TO CHANGE A WHOLE LOT TO BE HONEST I DO THINK THAT WE’LL PROBABLY KEEP VEERING AWAY FROM ONE ANOTHER ON THE SIDEWALKS [LAUGHTER], FOR A WHILE BUT OTHERWISE, I DON’T SEE THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE THAT MUCH >> I’M HOPING THAT COVID JUST GOES AWAY NO MORE COVID COVID GONE FOREVER THAT’S WHAT I’M HOPING >> I’M HOPING PEOPLE WILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO SLOW DOWN, STOP, TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF A GANDER AT THE WORLD THAT IS AROUND THEM IN A WHOLE NEW LIGHT >> STAY SAFE, EVERYBODY THIS IS TEMPORARY WE GOT THIS, BABY! KEEP IT UP >> Duncan: I CAN’T HELP BUT LOOK AT THOSE PICTURES AND SAY, MY GOODNESS, SO BEAUTIFUL AND WARM IN VANCOUVER, BUT IT DOES GIVE US A SENSE OF HOW DIFFERENT REGIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE REALLY SHIFTING AT DIFFERENT PACES IN TERMS OF BACK TO NORMAL, IF YOU WILL >> Rosemary: THEY SURE ARE THAT LAST GUY IS WAY MORE HOPEFUL THAN I AM AND THAT SHOULD RUB OFF ON ME IT’S GOOD TO HEAR CANADIANS ARE FEELING OKAY ABOUT THE FUTURE >> Duncan: WE’LL HAVE LOTS MORE FROM OUR VIEWERS AND LISTENERS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY THROUGHOUT THE EVENING YOU CAN SEND US YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT REOPENING WE HAVE CALGARY MAYOR NAHEED NENSHI AND TORONTO MAYOR JOHN TORY SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC FOR THEM, SEND IT ALONG I’LL BE KEEPING AN EYE ON THE TWITTER ACCOUNTS YOU CAN E-MAIL US OR LEAVE A NOTE ON THE Facebook LIVE STREAM ON THE CBC NEWS PAGE >> Rosemary: COOL LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM MORE CANADIANS AS WE KNOW, THE PRIME MINISTER SAYS HIS GOVERNMENT’S ECONOMIC MEASURES — YOU HEARD THERE FROM BILL MORNEAU — REALLY AN

ATTEMPT TO BRIDGE TO BETTER TIMES WHEN THE ECONOMY IS READY TO COME ROARING BACK THE CBC’S PETER ARMSTRONG HAS A LOOK AT POTENTIAL RECOVERY AND WHY THAT BOUNCEBACK MAY HAD BE DIFFICULT >> I’M ON QUEENS STREET, THE WEST END OF DOWNTOWN TORONTO ON A NORMAL SPRING SUNNY DAY, THESE SIDEWALKS WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY PACKED THESE STORES WOULD BE FULL THE BIG QUESTION BEING ASKED NOW, NOT JUST WHEN WILL THE STORES OPEN, BUT WHEN WILL CONSUMERS GO BACK OUT AND SPEND? SURE, YOU CAN FLIP A SWITCH AND REOPEN THE STORES, BUT CONVINCING CANADIANS TO GO BACK OUT AND SPENDING AND MEETING A FRIEND FOR LUNCH AND GOING TO A SHOW ON FRIDAY NIGHT, THAT’S COMPLICATED AND REMEMBER JUST HOW IMPORTANT CONSUMER SPENDING IS TO THE BROADER CANADIAN ECONOMY GO BACK TO 2008, 2009, THE FINANCIAL CRISIS IT WAS CONSUMERS THAT REALLY SAVED THE DAY POLICYMAKERS LOWERED INTEREST RATES AND ENCOURAGED US TO BORROW AND SPEND AND WE DID IN RECORD NUMBERS BUT IN DOING SO, WE TOOK ON RECORD LEVELS OF DEBT AND THIS CRISIS HAS SHOWN HOW VULNERABLE HOUSEHOLDS AND CANADIANS REALLY WERE WITH ALL THAT DEBT WE HAVE NEARLY 8 MILLION CANADIANS HAVE APPLIED FOR FEDERAL RELIEF AND AID EVEN THOSE THAT HAVEN’T LOST THEIR JOBS OR WAGES HAVE BEEN SHOWN HOW EXPOSED THEY ARE AND YOU KNOW, WILL THEY BE MORE INCLINED MAYBE THIS TIME TO SAVE RATHER THAN GO BACK OUT AND SPEND? ESPECIALLY AS WE KNOW THE HEALTH CRISIS MAY LINGER FOR SOME TIME AND ALL OF THIS MATTERS, BECAUSE THE LONGER IT TAKES FOR US TO GO BACK OUT AND SPEND, THE LONGER IT WILL TAKE FOR THE ECONOMY TO RECOVER, THE LONGER IT WILL TAKE FOR THE EMPLOYERS TO HIRE THE LAID-OFF WORKERS THE LONGER THAT TAKES, THE LONGER THIS CRISIS GOES AND THE MORE IT DEEPENS AND THE HARDER IT IS FOR US TO GET OUT OF IT >> Rosemary: THANKS FOR THAT LOTS TO THINK ABOUT THERE WE’RE GOING TO TALK TO A CANADIAN WHO HAS MANAGED TO SAVE MONEY THROUGH THE PANDEMIC AND PAY DOWN DEBT HE WORKS FOR CANADA POST AND JOINS ME FROM HIS HOME OUTSIDE OTTAWA HI, RON >> HI ROSEMARY >> Rosemary: YOU’RE ONE OF THE LUCKY CANADIANS WHO STILL HAS A JOB AND MAYBE YOU’VE BEEN WORKING FROM HOME IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU? >> YEAH, I THINK MY LAST DAY AT WORK WAS MARCH 13TH, SO I’VE BEEN WORKING FROM HOME SINCE THEN AND MY WIFE AS WELL HAS BEEN WORKING FROM HOME MOST DAYS SO WE’RE BOTH VERY FORTUNATE WE’RE ABLE TO WORK, BUT DOING IT FROM HOME >> Rosemary: VERY FORTUNATE I FEEL THAT WAY, TOO, ABOUT STILL HAVING A JOB AND NOT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT THAT BUT YOU DID DECIDE TO TAKE THIS TIME AND TACKLE DEBT AND I’M JUST WONDERING HOW YOU MANAGED TO DO THAT AND HOW SUCCESSFUL YOU’VE BEEN? >> WELL I’D LOVE TO SAY WE HAD A GREAT MASTER PLAN TO DO IT, BUT WE SORT OF STUMBLED INTO IT ABOUT A MONTH AGO WE LOOKED AT OUR CREDIT CARD BILL AND IT WAS A QUARTER OF WHAT IT NORMALLY WOULD BE WHEN WE PAID IT OFF, WE LOOKED OTT OUR BANK ACCOUNT AND REALIZED WE WERE NOT DEFICIT FINANCING, THAT WE IN FACT HAD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE COULD START PAYING DOWN DEBT SO WE SORT OF CHANGED OUR FOCUS AND WE’VE BEEN WORKING AT DOING THAT EVER SINCE >> Rosemary: WHERE HAS ALL THIS MONEY COME FROM? WHY DO YOU SUDDENLY HAVE MORE MONEY TO PAY THINGS DOWN? >> WELL, WE LIVE SOUTH OF OTTAWA, SO OUR COMMUTE IS 140 KILOMETRES ROUND TRIP EVERY DAY, SO A LOT OF IT IS SAVING ON GAS AND JUST THAT SPENDING THAT YOU DO WHEN YOU’RE NOT BEING CONSCIOUS OF IT GOING TO TIM HORTONS AND GOING OUT TO PLACES LIKE THAT, WE’RE JUST NOT IN THOSE POSITIONS ANYMORE, SO WE’RE NOT SPENDING THAT MONEY >> Rosemary: SO YOU’RE WORKING AT HOME, STILL GETTING THE PAYCHEQUE, YOU HAVE THIS NEW PLAN TO PAY DOWN THE DEBT HAS ANYTHING ELSE IN YOUR LIFE CHANGED BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE ESSENTIALLY NOWHERE REALLY TO SPEND MONEY? >> WELL, I’M SORT OF CREEPING SLOWLY TOWARD RETIREMENT AND WE’VE ALWAYS BEEN TALKING ABOUT HOW WE NEEDED TO LEARN TO LIVE ON LESS MONEY FOR RETIREMENT SO WE’RE SORT OF SEEING NOW THIS HAS PUSHED US TO TRY THAT EXERCISE OUT SO I BOUGHT QUICKEN AND I’VE BEEN PUTTING IN ALL OF OUR BILLS WE’RE STARTING TO PAY ATTENTION TO OUR FINANCES NOW, WHICH WE WEREN’T DOING WELL BEFORE >> Rosemary: HMM WOULD HAVE THOUGHT A PANDEMIC WOULD BRING THAT CHANGE TO YOUR HOUSE, EH? >> WELL, IT WAS A BIT OF A SURPRISE BUT WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE CAN I GUESS >> Rosemary: I’M GLAD YOU’RE DOING WELL, YOU STILL HAVE A JOB AND YOU’RE ALL HEALTHY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US THAT’S RON PORTEOUS THANKS NICE TO CHAT WITH YOU TRAVEL, AS YOU MAY KNOW, IT’S PROBABLY ONE OF THE REASONS THAT RON HAS EXTRA CASH, IS VERY MUCH OFF THE TABLE FOR EVERYONE RIGHT NOW AND FOR PLACES THAT RELY ON TOURISM, THERE ARE SO MANY IN

COUNTRY, THE IMPACTS WILL BE DEVASTATING THAT INCLUDES NEWFOUNDLAND WHERE SO MANY BUSINESSES DEPEND ON SUMMER VISITORS >> Reporter: THIS IS PETTY HARBOUR, A HISTORIC COMMUNITY ABOUT 15 MINUTES FROM ST. JOHN’S AND LIKE HUNDREDS OF OTHER PLACES IT SHOULD BE GETTING READY FOR A BUSY TOURISM SEASON MORE PEOPLE VISIT HERE ANNUALLY THAN ACTUALLY LIVE HERE AND 2020 WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A RECORD-BREAKER, BUT INSTEAD, COVID-19 IS SHATTERING THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY MANY CANADIANS AND PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD HAVE SEEN THE AWARD-WINNING ADS AND IT WORKED DE/* EVEN SMALL VILLAGES STARTED TO GET ATTENTION >> AS YOU KNOW, I’M RUNNING FOR MAYOR OF DILDO >> BUT EFFORTS TO CASH IN SEEMED POINTLESS A LOST OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE LIKE ANGIE REED >> OUR $11 MILLION FREE ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN HE RAN FOR US WE PUT A LOT OF PREPARATION, A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY INTO THE COMING SEASON BASED ON THE HYPE THAT WE HAD LAST SUMMER >> Reporter: IN THE CITY OF ST JOHN’S, GEORGE STREET, TWO BLOCKS OF JAM-PACKED MISCHIEF AND SIN, A POPULAR MAGNET FOR PARTY PEOPLE LOOKING FOR FOOD, DRINK, WHATEVER THIS IS GEORGE STREET NOW VACANT DURING THE DAY AND NIGHT UNLIKE OTHER CITIES THAT CAN RELY ON LOCALS IF AND WHEN THEY REOPEN, THE BARS AND RESTAURANTS HERE RELY ON TOURISM TO KEEP THEM AFLOAT ALL YEAR ROUND THERE IS PRIDE HERE AND RESILIENCE, BUT THERE IS NO WAY THE INDUSTRY WILL GET ANYWHERE CLOSE TO $1.6 BILLION THAT WAS EXPECTED THE COVID CURTAIN HAS EVEN FALLEN ON “COME FROM AWAY”, THE SMASH HIT THAT WELCOMED INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS DURING THE DARKNESS OF 9/11 A STORY ABOUT NEWFOUNDLAND OPENNESS AND GENEROSITY INSTEAD OF EMBRACING PEOPLE WHO COME FROM AWAY, WE’RE SAYING STAY AWAY AND IF YOU DON’T, POLICE CAN SEARCH YOU OUT AND ESCORT YOU AWAY FROM THIS PROVINCE ANTHONY GERMAIN, CBC NEWS, PETTY HARBOUR >> Rosemary: HEARTBREAKING TO SEE GEORGE STREET SO EMPTY PART OF IT IS, OF COURSE, BECAUSE THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY IS NOT OPERATING IN A SUBSTANTIAL WAY AIR CANADA, FOR INSTANCE, LAST MORE THAN A BILLION DOLLARS IN THE FIRST QUARTER WESTJET LAID OFF 3,000 EMPLOYEES LAST MONTH AND SOME OF THOSE EMPLOYEES WILL BE HIRED BACK WITH THE WAGE SUBSIDY PROGRAMME, BUT TRAVEL STILL IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, SMALLER AIRLINES ARE JUST STRUGGLING TO SURVIVE JOE SPARLING IS THE C.E.O. OF AIR NORTH NICE TO SEE YOU >> NICE TO SEE YOU >> Rosemary: WHEN I HEARD THAT AIR CANADA LOST A BILLION DOLLARS IN THE FIRST QUARTER, I CAN’T IMAGINE WHAT THAT MEANS FOR A SMALL BUSINESS LIKE AIR NORTH? >> WELL, IT’S TOUGH ON EVERY CANADIAN BUSINESS FOR SURE AND IT’S TOUGH ON AIRLINES IN PARTICULAR I THINK THAT CANADA IS A LARGE COUNTRY WITH A SMALL POPULATION, SO THE AIRLINE NETWORK IS AWFULLY IMPORTANT TO EVERY CANADIAN AND I THINK IT SOMETIMES GETS TAKEN FOR GRANTED I SOMETIMES THINK OF THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY LIKE THE POWER COMPANY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GET USED TO TURNING THE LIGHTS ON AND THEY DON’T REALLY PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO IT BUT IF THE POWER COMPANY, FOR EXAMPLE, LOST 85% OF ITS CUSTOMERS OVERNIGHT, AND HAD TO SHUT DOWN OR CURTAIL SERVICES, PEOPLE WOULD NOTICE IN A BIG HURRY I THINK THE IMPACT IS SIMILAR WITH AIRLINES AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE POWER COMPANY, THEY’D HAVE TO — THEY COULDN’T POSSIBLY GENERATE ENOUGH REVENUE TO PAY FOR ALL OF THEIR FIXED COSTS WITH ONLY 5% OF THEIR CUSTOMERS AND WE’RE IN THE SAME BOAT ALL OF THE AIRLINES IN THE COUNTRY ARE LOOKING FOR HELP >> Rosemary: SO TELL ME WHAT — TELL ME, FIRST OF ALL, HOW THINGS HAVE CHANGED? ARE YOU OPERATING ANY FLIGHTS? >> WE ARE, YES THE FIRST THING WE DID WHEN THE PANDEMIC HIT WAS WE CUT BACK FROM 30 SCHEDULED FLIGHTS A WEEK TO ONLY IN 9 AND ACTUALLY WE CUT BACK TO ONLY 5 AND THEN IMMEDIATELY HEARD FROM THE HOSPITAL AND THE TERRITORIAL EMERGENCY MEASURES ORGANIZATION THAT THE CAPACITY CUTBACK WAS TOO MUCH AND IN ORDER TO EFFICIENTLY MOVE MEDICAL SUPPLIES AND PEOPLE, THEY NEEDED MORE FLIGHTS SO WE ADDED BACK SOME CAPACITY AND WE’RE NOW STRUGGLING WITH TRYING TO MEET OVERHEAD EXPENSES OUT OF GREATLY REDUCED FLYING >> Rosemary: YEAH I WAS GOING TO SAY, IT’S SORT OF DIFFERENT YOUR SITUATION IS DIFFERENT,

BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS IT FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE AROUND, BUT TO GET GOODS TO REMOTE COMMUNITIES HAS THERE BEEN ANY ESSENTIAL SUPPORTS GIVEN TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ALSO PLAY THAT ROLE FOR MUCH OF NORTHERN CANADA? >> YES THE TERRITORIAL GOVERNMENTS, ALL THREE TERRITORIAL GOVERNMENTS, I THINK, IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZED THE ROLE THAT NORTHERN AIR CARRIERS PLAY IN THEIR ECONOMIES, SERVING MANY COMMUNITIES THAT DON’T HAVE ROAD ACCESS AT ALL AND COMMUNITIES THAT OFTEN DON’T HAVE PAVED RUNWAYS SO NORTHERN AIR CARRIERS FILL A NICHE IN THE AIR TRAVEL SECTOR THAT WAS RECOGNIZED AND THERE IS FUNDING UNDER THE NORTHERN ESSENTIAL AIR SERVICES PROGRAMME THAT IS HELPING ALL OF THE NORTHERN CARRIERS TO, AT LEAST, DEFRAY — MEET SOME OF THEIR EXPENSES AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR US ALL TO SURVIVE WE’RE ALSO TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE WAGE SUBSIDY PROGRAMME AND THE YUKON GOVERNMENT IN PARTICULAR HAS A COUPLE OF OTHER PROGRAMMES THAT HELPING US TO GET BY >> Rosemary: SO, JOE, JUST LET ME END ON THIS HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE FUTURE? YOU’RE THE C.E.O. OF AIR NORTH I CAN SEE THAT YOU’RE STRUGGLING HOW ARE YOU FEELING ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO GO FORWARD? >> WELL, I’M COMFORTABLE, BUT CONFIDENT THAT WE’RE GOING TO GET THROUGH IT I THINK AIR TRAVEL IS GOING TO BE SLOW TO RECOVER I THINK IT WILL BE NECESSARY TO EXTEND PROBABLY SOME OF THE AID PROGRAMMES FOR LONGER THAN MAYBE WAS FIRST CONSIDERED, BUT I THINK THAT THE IMPACTS OF THE PANDEMIC ARE GOING TO CARRY ON FOR LONGER THAN PEOPLE ANTICIPATED IN PARTICULAR, FOR THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY WE’RE GOING TO COME OUT OF THIS A LOT SMALLER THAN WHEN WE WENT IN NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT AND IT’S GOING TO TAKE A NUMBER OF YEARS TO GET BACK TO ANYWHERE NEAR THE SIZE WE WERE AT THE BEFORE THE PANDEMIC >> Rosemary: GOOD OF YOU TO MAKE THE TIME I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST AND GOOD HEALTH >> THANK YOU, SAME TO YOU >> Rosemary: WE’LL CHECK IN AGAIN WITH DUNCAN >> Duncan: KIND OF REMARK TO HEAR RON PORTEOUS THERE TALKING ABOUT TACKLING DEBT DURING A PANDEMIC AND AGAIN, VERY FORTUNATE THOSE OF US WHO HAVEN’T LOST WORK, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE ONLINE HERE DURING THE PROGRAMME WHO ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT THE SILVER LINING HERE BETTY ON TWITTER SAID THE PEOPLE WORKING FROM HOME CAN SAVE MONEY BY NOT NEEDING TRANSIT, MONEY FOR LUNCHES, MOVIES, ET CETERA THEY ARE DOING WELL AND CONVERSATION THAT IS GOING ON ONLINE RIGHT NOW ABOUT CHANGING OUR HABITS AND WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE TAKING THIS OPPORTUNITY DURING THE PANDEMIC, CANADIANS RIGHT ACROSS THE COUNTRY, TO CHANGE OUR CONSUMPTION HABITS ON TWITTER SAID, WAS HOPING FOR A RADICAL SHIFT IN THINKING, ESPECIALLY REGARDING CONSUMER SPENDING A LOT OF THE STUFF WE BUY DOES NOT REALLY BENEFIT LOCAL ECONOMIES WE NEED TO THINK SMALLER, LOCAL, BUY MORE ON THE BASIS OF REAL NEED, RATHER THAN RECKLESS WANT ALSO A CONCERN I WOULD SAY BEING EXPRESSED BY MANY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY OF POSSIBILITY OF A SECOND WAVE YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WE, AS BUSINESSES ARE STARTING TO SLOWLY REOPEN AGAIN, THERE IS A CONCERN THAT THERE MAY BE A SECOND WAVE OF COVID INFECTIONS AND THAT THOSE REOPENED BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CLOSE AGAIN AND SO, ANGELA SAID THIS ON Facebook, YES, IT’S TOO EARLY TO OPEN UP RESTRICTIONS FOR SOCIAL DISTANCING, STAY HOME AND STAY SAFE SO, LOTS OF FOLKS GIVING US THEIR THOUGHTS AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO CHECK IN WITH OUR CAMERAS, WITH PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY WE HEARD FROM VANCOUVER SUMMER IS COMING IT WON’T BE LIKE YEARS PAST WE PLAYED YOU TAPE OF CANADIANS IN VANCOUVER, TALKING ABOUT THEIR EXPECTATIONS, BUT WE ALSO SPOKE TO PEOPLE IN EDMONTON [ ♪♪♪ ] >> I’M HOPING THIS SUMMER TO GO TO BAND, TO SEE THE NATURE — BANFF, TO SEE THE NATURE AND I WANT THIS CORONAVIRUS SITUATION TO GET OVER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN HANG OUT WITH OUR FRIENDS AND GO CAMPING >> THIS SUMMER? YOU KNOW, I’M KIND OF OPTIMISTIC I’M GOING TO BE OUTDOORS ENJOYING IT WITH MY FAMILY AND SUPPORTING ALL THE LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT NEED HELP AND ALSO YOU KNOW WHAT, JUST RECONNECTING WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY >> THINKS THE FIRST TIME I’VE BEEN THROUGH SOMETHING LIKE THIS, SO YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT I’M FEELING HOPEFUL [ ♪♪♪ ] >> Duncan: AGAIN, NICE TO HEAR SOME OF THE OPTIMISM, BUT THE FELLOW TALKING ABOUT BEING OUTSIDE I MEAN THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GO CAMPING, FOR

EXAMPLE, BUT HERE IN ONTARIO, THE CROWN LAND IS CLOSED WHAT ABOUT SUMMER CAMPS? THAT’S A REAL QUESTION AS WELL ARE THE KIDS GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO OUTSIDE? >> Rosemary: IT’S VERY HARD TO PLAN FOR THE SUMMER THAT’S FOR SURE I THINK A WADING POOL IN THE BACKYARD MAYBE THE BEST INVESTMENT IF THIS MOVES FORWARD >> Duncan: LOVE TO HEAR MORE FROM YOU I’LL KEEP BRINGING YOU THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS IN A BIT, WE’LL BE TALKING ABOUT REOPENING WITH NEW BRUNSWICK PREMIER BLAINE HIGGS IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM, YOU CAN SEND IT TO US VIA TWITTER, E-MAIL, OR LEAVE A NOTE ON THE Facebook >> Rosemary: I HOPE EVERYONE FEELS LIKE THIS IS A TOWN HALL WE’RE DOING OUR BEST >> Duncan: DOING OUR BEST >> Rosemary: IT’S NOT THE SAME AS EVERYONE IN A ROOM TOGETHER, BUT WE’RE TRYING TO RECREATE THE EXCITEMENT OF A TOWN HALL LET’S TURN NOW TO ALBERTA BECAUSE THE CRISIS IN ALBERTA HAS BEEN TWOFOLD REALLY, OR MAYBE EVEN BIGGER IT’S FIGHTING OUTBREAKS OF COVID-19 LIKE THE REST OF US, BUT THE WHOLE PROVINCE IS DEALING WITH PLUMMETING OIL PRICES AND CALGARY IS AT THE CENTRE OF THOSE BATTLES NAHEED NENSHI JOINS ME NOW GOOD TO SEE YOU, MAYOR >> FIRST TIME I’VE DONE A TOWN HALL IN THE CORNER IN MY KITCHEN [LAUGHTER] >> Rosemary: IT’S A FIRST TIME FOR EVERYTHING FIRST OF ALL, LET ME ASK HOW THE CITY IS DOING AS I’VE SAID, YOU’VE BEEN BEEN HIT BY MULTI-WAVES HERE AND THE CANCELLATION OF THE STAMPEDE >> IT’S A TRIPLE WHAMMY FOR US WE’VE BEEN HIT BY THE PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS LIKE EVERYBODY, THOUGH CALGARY IS ONE OF THE NATION’S HOT SPOTS WE’VE HAD THE LARGEST WORKPLACE OUTBREAK IN THE CARGILL MEAT PLANT IN HIGH RIVER SOUTH OF CALGARY THAT MANY OF THE WORKERS LIVE IN CALGARY AND COMMUTE EVERY DAY NUMBER TWO IS THE GLOBAL RECESSION AND THE GENERAL HIT TO STORE FRONT BUSINESS, BUT ALSO A LOT OF BUSINESSES IMPORTANT TO CALGARY I WAS EXCITED TO HEAR THE EDMONTONIAN HEAR SHE WANTS TO COME TO BANFF OR SOMETIME THIS SUMMER OR TRAVELLING TOURISM INDUSTRY WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US HAS BEEN JUST DECIMATED SO THAT’S THE SECOND PART THE THIRD PART AS YOU SAY IS WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON IN THE ENERGY WORLD IN THIS RIDICULOUS PRICE WAR ON OIL AND GAS SO ECONOMICALLY DEALING WITH PUBLIC HEALTH, IT’S FAIR TO SAY THAT CALGARY IS PROBABLY HIT HARDER THAN JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD THAT SAID, CALGARIANS HAVE BEEN GREAT AT MANAGING THIS WE’VE BEEN ABLE TO FLATTEN THE CURVE BEEN ABLE TO LOOK AFTER ONE ANOTHER AND THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF GOOD HEARTNESS IN THE CITY I’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT CLEAN HANDS, OPEN HEARTS AND CALGARIANS HAVE BEEN GREAT ABOUT ALL THREE >> Rosemary: I KNOW TODAY THERE WAS REOPENING PLANS ANNOUNCED BY PREMIER KENNEY AND CALGARY AND BROOKS OUTSIDE OF CALGARY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ON THE SAME PATH AT ALL AS THE REST OF THE PROVINCE BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY CASES THERE HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? THE PACE OF THINGS IS GOING TO BE REALLY DIFFERENT IN CALGARY THAN THE REST OF THE PROVINCE >> YOU KNOW, IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO I WISH IT HADN’T COME SORT OF AT THE 11TH HOUR, 3:30 ON WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON WHEN PEOPLE WERE THINKING ABOUT THURSDAY, BUT ULTIMATELY, WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON THE RIGHT EVIDENCE THE CHALLENGE IN CALGARY, PARTIALLY THERE IS STILL MORE CASES, BUT IT’S MORE SO THERE IS MORE COMMUNITY TRANSMISSION AND IT’S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE TO GET THAT UNDER CONTROL SO RETAILERS, WE NEVER CLOSE SHOPS IN ALBERTA YOU CAN STILL BE OPEN FOR CURBSIDE DELIVERY, CURBSIDE PICKUP AND DELIVERY I SHOULD SAY, BUT TOMORROW, MOST RETAILERS WILL BE ABLE TO OPEN ACROSS THE PROVINCE IN CALGARY, WITH RESTRICTIONS MANY DAYCARES WILL BE OPEN WITH RESTRICTIONS BUT THE OTHER TWO BIG ONES, RESTAURANTS AND HAIR STYLISTS, WE ALL NEED IT RIGHT NOW, WHICH WERE SUPPOSED TO OPEN TOMORROW, WILL BE DELAYED ANOTHER 10 DAYS >> Rosemary: RIGHT IT’S GOOD YOU’RE TAKING THAT IN STRIDE I KNOW YOU’VE HAD TO LAY OFF A LOT OF EMPLOYEES BECAUSE OF THE PRESSURES ON THE CITY I NOTE THAT TRANSIT HAS BEEN HIT, AS MANY LARGE CITIES WHAT CAN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DO TO STEP IN? WE’VE ASK THE PRIME MINISTER THAT QUESTION ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS AND IT SEEMS TO BE THE ANSWER IS THIS IS A PROVINCIAL JURISDICTION, BUT I WONDER IF THERE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE FOR CITIES IN A SHORT-TERM WAY? >> THERE HAS TO BE AND I WAS REALLY EXCITED TO HEAR PREMIER FORD, THE PREMIER OF ONTARIO TODAY SAY HE WANTS TO COME TO THE TABLE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BECAUSE, LOOK, EVERY ONE OF THE LARGE CITIES IS IN A BIG PROBLEM HERE IN CALGARY WE’RE LOSING $15 MILLION A WEEK BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, WE’LL

HAVE A DEFICIT BETWEEN 250 AND $400 MILLION AND WE CAN’T EASILY REMEDY THE DEFICIT WE DON’T HAVE ACCESS TO THE SAME SOURCES OF CAPITAL SO GIVEN THAT, WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO BORROW MONEY ACROSS THE SYSTEM IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR THAT MONEY TO BE BORROWED BY THE GOVERNMENTS THAT ARE GETTING ZERO PERCENT INTEREST CALGARY IS A BIG PLACE, RIGHT? BIGGER THAN FIVE PROVINCES, BUT WE’RE NOT USED TO BORROWING THE WAY OTHERS HAVE ULTIMATELY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CANNOT ABANDON US TO THE PROVINCES BECAUSE SOME PROVINCES DON’T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO HELP AND SOME DON’T WANT TO HELP AND THE PROVINCES CANNOT ABANDON US TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THEY’RE RESPONSIBLE FOR US WE NEED A TRIPARTITE SOLUTION WE NEED IT SET ASIDE POLITICS >> Rosemary: IT DOESN’T SEEM YOU’RE SUPER OPTIMISTIC YOU’RE GOING TO GET THAT? >> THIS IS AN ENDLESS GAME I’VE BEEN SAYING THIS ALL THE YEARS IN POLITICS THE EASIEST THING TO DO IN POLITICS IS PASS THE HAT THAT’S A PROVINCIAL RESPONSIBLE FEDERAL RESPONSIBILITY THAT’S A MUNICIPALITY RESPONSIBILITY AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ALL SERVE THE SAME CITIZENS I THINK THAT THE LEADERSHIP DO UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE I THINK THAT A LOT OF FOLKS WHO PERHAPS REPRESENT DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY WHO ARE HURT IN DIFFERENT WAYS OR LESS SO NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS NOW A NATIONAL PROBLEM 80% OF CITIZENS LIVE IN CITIES AND EVERY CITY IS IN TROUBLE >> Rosemary: RIGHT OKAY, MAYOR, SORRY WE’RE COMING TO YOU UNDER SUCH DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT YOU SEEM TO HAVE A NICE KITCHEN AND HANG IN THERE WE’LL TALK AGAIN >> ONE OF THESE DAYS I’LL PUT ART ON THESE RED WALLS THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THIS, HAVING THIS TOWN HALL I JUST WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE, THIS IS ABOUT KEEPING EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY SAFE DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO AVOID SPREADING THE VIRUS CLEAN HANDS IT’S STILL IMPORTANT MAKE THOUGHTFUL DECISIONS ABOUT EVERY ACTION YOU TAKE FOR OTHERS AND MOST IMPORTANT, OPEN HEARTS PHYSICAL DISTANCING DOESN’T MEAN SOCIAL ISOLATION WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY AND NUMBER ONE, WHETHER YOU WANT US TO DO IT OR NOT, NUMBER ONE, BE KIND TO EVERYONE BE KIND TO BUSINESSES THAT ARE OPEN, TO BUSINESSES THAT DON’T, AND KIND TO ALL OF YOUR NEIGHBOURS THAT’S HOW WE’LL GET THROUGH THIS TOGETHER >> Rosemary: MAYOR, GOOD MESSAGE GOOD LUCK STAY HEALTHY NICE TO SEE YOU THAT’S MAYOR NAHEED NENSHI, THE MAYOR OF CALGARY OF COURSE WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO EXPERIENCED FIRSTHAND A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT THE MAYOR WAS TALKING ABOUT THERE, BECAUSE AS YOU MAY KNOW, JOBS ARE DRYING UP IN THE OIL PATCH, THROWING PEOPLE OUT OF WORK, IN PART BECAUSE OF THE GLOBAL OIL DISPUTE, BUT IN PART OF THE PANDEMIC HE IS FROM NEWFOUNDLAND, BUT DID WORK IN ALBERTA HE WAS PART OF THE FLY IN AND FLY OUT COMMUNITY FEELING UNSAFE, HE DROVE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, HE JOINED ME FROM PORTUGAL COVE ST. PHILLIPS TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED YOU WERE WORKING WHERE IN ALBERTA AND HOW DID YOU DECIDE THIS WASN’T GOING TO BE A GOOD DECISION ANYMORE? >> WELL, IT ALL CAME DOWN, WE WERE JUST SOUTH OF RED DEER WORKING ON A WELL IT WAS THE LAST OF THE SEASON, SPRING BREAK WAS UPON US AND THEN THIS COVID THING CAME ABOUT SO, YEAH, AFTER THIS IT WAS — WE KNEW THAT WAS IT FOR A WHILE ANYWAYS SO I FIGURED IT WAS A GOOD TIME TO HEAD BACK TO THE EAST COAST SEEING THAT THE NUMBERS OF COVID WERE GROWING RAPIDLY IN ALBERTA >> Rosemary: YEAH YOU DECIDED NOT TO FLY, THOUGH TELL ME HOW YOU GOT BACK TO NEWFOUNDLAND >> YEAH, NO, I WAS TALKING TO A FRIEND OF MINE ROCKY WHO WORKS IN THE OIL FIELD AND HE HAD DECIDED TO BUY A CAR SO WE WENT TO CALGARY AND BOUGHT A CAR AND DECIDED TO DRIVE, MAKE A TRIP OUT OF IT FIGURED IT WOULD BE A LITTLE SAFER >> Rosemary: SO YOU’RE OUT OF WORK AND IS THERE A PROSPECT OF WORK? WOULD YOU GO BACK TO ALBERTA? >> ABSOLUTELY I WAS SPEAKING WITH MY FIELD SUPERVISOR JUST YESTERDAY ACTUALLY AND HE SAID THERE IS SOME WORK COMING UP THERE IS STILL ROAD BAND EVERYTHING AS WELL IN ALBERTA AND SPRING BREAKUP, SO THERE IS A LOT OF FACTORS CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOSS OF WORK AND IT DEPENDS ON DIFFERENT SERVICES, SOME SERVICES ARE NOT GETTING MOVED AS MUCH AS OTHERS, BUT THERE IS POTENTIAL OF SUCH GOING BACK YOU KNOW, IT WILL COME AROUND >> Rosemary: THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PUT A LOT OF MONEY

INTO THE ORPHAN WELL CLEANUP, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU’RE INTERESTED IN DOING? >> LIKE THE ABANDONMENTS, I MEAN, I GUESS — I’VE DONE QUITE A FEW THAT IS WHERE ALL THE MONEY IS GOING TOWARD, THE ABANDONING WELLS >> Rosemary: HOW ARE YOU COPING? ARE YOU LIVING ON SAVINGS? APPLIED FOR THE CERB? >> WELL, I HAVE SAVINGS FROM THE WINTER AND ALSO ON THAT FUND, THE $2,000 OR WHATEVER >> Rosemary: YEP >> SO I’M JUST STAYING LOW KEY JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GET THROUGH THIS, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IT’S TOUGH >> Rosemary: HOW ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT THE SUMMER OR THE MONTHS AHEAD? ARE YOU FEELING GOOD ABOUT THINGS? STILL WORRIED? GIVE ME A SENSE >> I’M ALWAYS OPTIMISTIC, YOU KNOW THERE IS ALWAYS LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL I’M GOING TO BE OUT DOING A LOT OF KAYAKING AND FISHING AND NATURE THAT’S USUALLY WHAT I DO >> Rosemary: THAT DOESN’T SOUND TERRIBLE AT ALL, ANDREW >> NO, IT’S PRETTY SOCIALLY DISTANT THE PLACES I GO >> Rosemary: [LAUGHTER] ALL RIGHT, ANDREW, NICE TO MEET YOU GOOD LUCK I HOPE YOU DO GET BACK OUT TO ALBERTA I’M SURE THEY MISS YOU NEWFOUNDLANDERS DOING THE BACK AND FORTH >> AND WE MISS THEM >> Duncan: THERE ARE LOTS OF CANADIANS LIKE ANDREW, JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST WITH THE CARDS THEY’VE BEEN DEALT THE CONVERSATION IS CONTINUING ABOUT THE KIND OF CHANGES THAT PEOPLE ARE MAKING IN THEIR OWN CONSUMPTION HABITS D.K.S. ON TWITTER SAID THIS THIS SITUATION HAS MADE ME AND MY FAMILY RETHINK WHERE WE BUY OUR GOODS FROM, WHAT CHANGES WE NEED TO MAKE GOING FORWARD TO SUPPORT OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES AND OUR COUNTRY AS A WHOLE AND WE WILL BE MAKING SOME BIG CHANGES ON TWITTER, THE BEST WAY FOR BUSINESSES TO GET A GOOD KICK START DURING REOPENING WOULD BE TO BOOST CONSUMER’S CONFIDENCE ON THEIR HEALTH AND SAFETY SO OF COURSE PEOPLE STARTING TO GO BACK TO THE RETAIL STORES WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY’RE GOING TO BE SAFE WHEN THEY DO SO WE’VE HAD A CHANCE TO SEND OUR CAMERAS OUT AS SAFELY AS POSSIBLE TO TALK WITH RESIDENTS WE’VE BEEN CHECKING IN WITH CANADIANS THIS EVENING ABOUT THEIR PLANS FOR WHAT THEY’RE GOING TO BE DOING FOR A VERY DIFFERENT SUMMER WE’VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE IN VANCOUVER, EDMONTON LET’S HAVE A LOOK WHAT THE A FEW PEOPLE HERE IN TORONTO TOLD US [ ♪♪♪ ] >> HOPEFULLY, GET MORE FAMILY TIME IDEALLY, UP AT THE COTTAGE WHERE IT’S A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE AND RELAXING >> WE HAD A BUNCH OF — I THINK THIS YEAR WE CANNOT TRUST THIS KIND OF BIG FESTIVAL BECAUSE IT’S NOT SAFE ANYMORE AT LEAST THIS YEAR >> I HAD TO GO TO SEE MY FAMILY, BUT EVERYTHING IS CANCELLED NOW >> I THINK THAT FOR THE SUMMER MY ONLY EXPECTATION IS WE’LL BE ABLE TO GO TO PARKS AND BE OUTSIDE, BUT DEFINITELY NOT ANY GATHERINGS, LIKE FESTIVALS OR LARGE PARTIES OR CLUBS FOR THAT MATTER >> OF COURSE, EVERYBODY HAS PLANS DURING THE SUMMERTIME, BUT I THINK THE BEST THING FOR NOW IS TO SAVE OUR LIVES AND WE JUST NEED TO BE HOME AND SAFE BECAUSE IT’S MORE IMPORTANT THAN OUR PLANS I THINK WE JUST STAY INDOORS IT’S THE BEST >> Rosemary: WE’RE NOW INTO THE SECOND HOUR OF THE CBC NEWS VIRTUAL TOWN HALL SPECIAL CALLED “LIVING WITH COVID” AS WE’RE ALL TRYING TO DO RIGHT NOW I’M ROSEMARY BARTON WE’RE TAKING A CLOSE LOOK AT HOW THE PANDEMIC HAS CHANGED LIFE IN CANADA AND WHAT KIND OF NEW NORMAL, WHATEVER THAT IS, WE CAN EXPECT IN THE MONTHS AHEAD >> Duncan: WE’RE LIVE ON CBC NEWS NETWORK, CBC RADIO ONE WE’RE STREAMING AROUND THE WORLD ON THE PLATFORM, cbcnews.ca, CBC GEM AND THE NEWS APP WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU YOU CAN TWEET ME AND ROSEMARY OR E-MAIL US AT COVID, OR LEAVE A NOTE ON THE LIVELY Facebook LIFE STREAM ON THE CBC NEWS PAGE AND I’LL COME BACK IN A LITTLE WHILE WITH THE COMMENTS IN A BIT >> Rosemary: WE ARE ACTUALLY READING THEM SO PLEASE KEEP SENDING THEM SO WE GET A SENSE OF WHERE EVERYBODY’S HEADS ARE AT THESE DAYS OVER THE NEXT HOURS, WE’RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE PATH FORWARD I’LL BE TALKING TO THE PREMIER OF NEW BRUNSWICK AND THE MAYOR OF THE BIGGEST CITY, TORONTO IN CANADA, THERE IS SOME KIND OF REOPENING HAPPENING, BUT VERY STRICT RULES WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE DEPENDS ENTIRELY ON WHERE YOU LIVE IN THE COUNTRY >> MANITOBA AND QUÉBEC HAVE

TAKEN SOME OF THE MOST AGGRESSIVE APPROACHES, BUT THEY’RE VERY DIFFERENT ON MAY 4 MANITOBA STARTED REOPENING NON-ESSENTIAL BUSINESSES LIKE HAIR SALONS, RETAIL STORES, DENTISTS AND RESTAURANT PATIOS NEXT MONTH, IT HOPES TO LET PEOPLE DINE IN QUÉBEC WITH THE MOST CASES IN THE COUNTRY IS SPLIT ON ONE SIDE, THE GREATER MONTREAL AREA STILL LARGELY LOCKED DOWN AS COVID CASES CLIMB, BUT IN THE REST OF THE PROVINCE, NOT ONLY ARE MANY RETAIL STORES OPEN, ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ARE, TOO, THOUGH ATTENDANCE IS VOLUNTARY ONTARIO WITH THE SECOND HIGHEST CASE COUNT IS MOVING MORE SLOWLY GARDEN CENTRES CAN BE OPEN SOME RETAIL STORES DO CURBSIDE PICKUP AND YOU CAN WALK IN PROVINCIAL PARKS NOVA SCOTIA ALSO BEING CAUTIOUS SO FAR ONLY OPENING GARDEN CENTRES, PARKS, TRAILS AND GOLF DRIVING RANGES SASKATCHEWAN AND ALBERTA PUT NONMEDICAL SERVICES AT THE TOP OF THE RESTART LIST ALBERTA HAS GIVEN THE GREEN LIGHT TO NONURGENT SURGERIES AND A BIG PRIORITY FOR MANY PROVINCES, LENGTHENING THE LIST OF WHO YOU CAN HANG OUT WITH NEW BRUNSWICK AND NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR EXPANDED THEIR HOUSEHOLD BUBBLES LAST MONTH P.E.I. WILL NOW LET FIVE PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT HOUSEHOLDS GATHER OUTSIDE AND IN TIME FOR THE LONG WEEKEND, UP TO SIX PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO GATHER IN B.C THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES HOPES TO START REOPENING FRIDAY AS LONG AS THE SITUATION REMAINS STABLE AND TESTING IS AVAILABLE ALLOWING SOCIAL CIRCLES TO WIDEN AND SCHOOLS TO OPEN YUKON’S PLAN IS COMING SOON AND NUNAVUT THE ONLY REGION THAT HASN’T HAD A CASE SAYS IT’S TOO EARLY TO EASE RESTRICTIONS >> Rosemary: NEW BRUNSWICK IS ONE OF THE LOWEST COVID CASE COUNT IN THE COUNTRY THERE ARE ONLY TWO ACTIVE CASES AND IT HASN’T REPORTED A NEW CASE IN NEARLY A WEEK NOW THE PROVINCE IS IN PHASE TWO OF THE RECOVERY PLAN AND BLAINE HIGGS, THE PREMIER OF NEW BRUNSWICK, HE’S IN FREDERICTON GOOD TO SEE YOU >> GOOD EVENING >> Rosemary: WE’RE ALL VERY JEALOUS OF HOW NEW BRUNSWICK HAS DONE THIS WHERE ARE YOU AT NOW? ARE THERE ANY ACTIVE CASES? >> WE HAVE TWO CASES BOTH CONFIRMED TO BE TRAVEL-RELATED AND IT’S BEEN THAT WAY FOR LAST ROUGHLY A WEEK >> Rosemary: HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE SUCCESS OF NEW BRUNSWICK? >> WELL, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WE GOT INTO THIS EARLY I’VE MADE PREVIOUS COMMENTS ABOUT THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION WAS PROACTIVE IN DEAL WITH A WORLD ISSUE THAT IS COMING OUR WAY GIVEN HIS KNOWLEDGE IN THAT FIELD WE REACTED QUICKLY WITH SCHOOL CLOSURES AFTER MARCH BREAK, SOME THAT WERE TRAVELLING IN ITALY, THEY CAME BACK, SAID YOU CAN’T COME TO THE SCHOOLS AND WE SHUT DOWN RIGHT AFTER MARCH BREAK WE THEN PROCEEDED TO SHUT DOWN ACTIVITIES WITHIN THE PROVINCE QUICKLY AND STARTED WATCHING THE BORDERS DILIGENTLY >> Rosemary: SO YOU’RE NOW IN PHASE 2 OF REOPENING, WHICH AGAIN I THINK MAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE ENVIOUS OF WHERE YOU’RE AT HOW ARE PEOPLE DOING ADAPTING TO THIS LIVING WITH COVID, BUT BEING ABLE TO DO NORMAL THINGS, TOO? >> SO FAR, SO GOOD MIND YOU, IT WAS LIKE FLIPPING A SWITCH LAST FRIDAY WHEN WE ANNOUNCED AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU SAW MORE ACTIVITY WITHIN THE CITIES, ON THE HIGHWAYS BUT WE’RE FINDING — WHAT HAS BEEN A SUCCESS TO DATE — NOT ONLY THE FIRST LINE WORKERS, BUT THE CITIZENS AND BUSINESS OWNERS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLIANT AND DILIGENT ABOUT SOCIAL DISTANCING WASHING THEIR HANDS THE PREPARATION OF THEIR FACILITIES WE’RE EXPECTING THAT SAME THING DURING THE RETAIL OPENINGS AND THUS FAR, IF WE CONTINUE IN THE WAY WE HAVE BEEN, AND THE DILIGENCE CONTINUES, I’M CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN CONTINUE ON THIS PATH WITHIN OUR OWN PROVINCE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE FIRST IS HAVING TO MOVE WITHIN OUR OWN PROVINCE >> Rosemary: YOU SAID THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES THE TWO CASES WERE TRAVEL-RELATED I KNOW YOU HAVE VERY STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT YOUR BORDERS SO LET’S TALK FIRST OF ALL ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS FOR TRAVEL FOR CANADIANS OR NEIGHBOURS IN CANADA WHO WANT TO COME TO NEW BRUNSWICK IN THE MONTHS AHEAD IS THAT ON THE TABLE AT ALL? >> WELL, IF WE TALK MONTHS AHEAD, POSSIBLY BUT IN THE WEEKS AHEAD, NO IT ISN’T POSSIBLE WE’RE DOING ESSENTIAL TRAVEL ONLY BUSINESSES, THERE WILL BE CONTRACTS, ACTIVITIES ECONOMICALLY, THAT WILL HAPPEN ESSENTIAL SERVICES HAVE BEEN HAPPENING AND WILL CONTINUE, BUT THE COMING FOR A VISITATION, COMING FOR NON-ESSENTIAL WE’LL CONTINUE TO STOP CARS AT THE BORDER UNDERSTAND WHERE AND WHY YOU’RE COMING WE HAVE TRAFFIC THAT MOVES THROUGH OUR PROVINCE ON ROUTE TO P.E.I. OR NOVA SCOTIA OR NEWFOUNDLAND, SO WE OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD CONTINUE TO ALLOW THAT BUT WE NEED TO KNOW THAT TRAVEL

IS VERY MUCH UNDERSTOOD AND IT’S VERY MUCH CONTROLLED BECAUSE WE DON’T WANT TO LOSE WHERE WE ARE AND WE KNOW HOW QUICKLY IT COULD ALL BE LOST >> Rosemary: AND I’M THINKING OF THE OTHER BIG BORDER YOU SHARE, TOO, THAT IS WITH THE UNITED STATES I KNOW AS MANY AS 200,000 UNITED STATES TRAVEL THROUGH VARIOUS POINTS AT NEW BRUNSWICK WE ALL KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE UNITED STATES IT CONTINUES TO BE A TROUBLING SPOT HOW WORRIED ARE YOU ABOUT THE CANADA-U.S. BORDER? WHAT HAVE YOU TOLD YOUR FELLOW PREMIERS OR THE PRIME MINISTER ABOUT THAT? >> SO, WE CERTAINLY I’VE BEEN CLEAR AND I THINK IT’S GENERALLY THE AGREEMENT ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT WE WANT TO HAVE A BORDER SECURITY BETWEEN US AND THE UNITED STATES OTHER THAN COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC WE’VE HAD THAT I THINK THE BORDER TRAFFIC MAY BE DOWN IN ONE OF THE MAIN PORTS OF ENTRY, DOWN BY ABOUT 80% SO WE’RE — BUT COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC IS STILL MOVING SUPPLIES AND GOODS ARE STILL MOVING AND THEY’LL CONTINUE AND MUST BUT TOURISM TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE A BIG LOSS THIS SUMMER, WE KNOW THAT SO WE’RE WORKING WITH LOCAL PROVINCES, WHAT CAN WE DO? AS THEY RAMP UP AND HAVE SIMILAR CATEGORIES OF THE HEALTH CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE, AND OF THE SAME CONDITIONS, THEN MAYBE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER MORE CLOSELY >> Rosemary: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? MAYBE BUBBLE WITH ANOTHER PROVINCE? THAT’S RIGHT, WE COULD THAT BUBBLING THING HAS WORKED OUT WELL AND HAS ALLOWED SOME SOCIAL INTERACTION BETWEEN FAMILIES A LITTLE TENSE WHEN YOU HAVE TWO OR THREE MORE SIBLINGS AND YOU HAVE TO PICK ONE, BUT IN MY CASE, IT’S OKAY, I ONLY HAVE ONE DAUGHTER LIVING IN THE PROVINCE WITH A GRANDCHILD SO IT WORKED WITH THE OTHER PROVINCES I’VE HAD DISCUSSION WITH PREMIER KING OF P.E.I TODAY WE HAD A CALL WITH THE ATLANTIC PREMIERS TALKING ABOUT TIMING IT WILL BE A FEW WEEKS OUT, TWO MONTHS, I WOULD SAY, PROBABLY THE END OF JUNE, JULY >> Rosemary: THAT’S SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE TO LOOK FORWARD TO JUST AS OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY NOT AS FAR ALONG AS NEW BRUNSWICK IS, AND WATCH YOU AND HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT CRAZY THINGS LIKE GOING TO RESTAURANTS, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO OTHER CANADIANS WHO ARE STRUGGLING TO HANG ON TO THESE FAIRLY TOUGH RESTRICTIONS IN MANY PARTS OF THE COUNTRY? >> WELL, THERE IS CERTAINLY HOPE AND LIFE AFTER COVID IT WILL BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT HERE IN THE MARITIMES AND THE NEW BRUNSWICK, WE DON’T HAVE THE BIG CITIES LIKE QUÉBEC, MONTREAL, AND ONTARIO WITH TORONTO IT’S A DIFFERENT SCENARIO, SO WE’RE ABLE TO MANAGE IN A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT WE’LL SURVIVE THIS I’M CONVINCED OUR COUNTRY IS GOING TO COME OUT OF THIS STRONGER AND UNITED I SEE IT IN OUR OWN PROVINCE LOOKING AT AREAS OF FOOD SECURITY AND THE NATIONAL INTERESTS OF HOW WE SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER, INTERPROVINCIAL TRADE WHICH HAS ONLY BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS WILL BECOME A MORE REALITY AND NECESSITY, BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE WANT CANADA TO BE STRONGER >> Rosemary: GOOD WORDS TO LEAVE IT ON GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE IN NEW BRUNSWICK LET THEM KNOW WE’RE ENVIOUS AND HOPING IT WORKS OUT THERE AS WELL >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH >> Rosemary: THAT THE PREMIER OF NEW BRUNSWICK, BLAINE HIGGS WHEN YOU BUBBLE WITH ANOTHER FAMILY, BUBBLING WITH A WHOLE PROVINCE I KNOW YOU HAVE MORE THOUGHTS FROM CANADIANS >> Duncan: SOME PEOPLE REACTING TO CALGARY MAYOR NAHEED NENSHI TALKING ABOUT HIS HAIRCUT AND HOPING TO GET A HAIRCUT SOON I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF CANADIANS WHO WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR BUCKET HERE’S A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE I’M A HAIR STYLIST IN ONTARIO, NOT ANXIOUS TO GET BACK AND TAKE THE CHANCE OF GIVING OR CATCHING THIS VIRUS COVID-19 IS JUST SUCH A MYSTERY AND, OF COURSE, VERY DIFFICULT FOR HAIR STYLISTS TO DO PHYSICAL DISTANCING PREMIER HIGGS, OF COURSE, TALKING ABOUT NEW BRUNSWICK’S PLANS TO GO BACK I THINK WHAT IS HAPPENING ONLINE HERE IS A REFLECTION OF WHAT IS HAPPENING ACROSS THE COUNTRY IT’S THE GREAT REOPENING DEBATE IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT ROBERT PARK ON TWITTER SENT THIS WE HAVE NO BUSINESS LOOKING AT REOPENING WHEN WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO HANDLE TESTING AND P.P.E. PROPERLY ESTABLISH ADEQUATE INVENTORY AND SUPPLY CHAINS FIRST FOR CITIZENS AND THEN LOOK AT REOPENING SAFETY SHOULD BE PARAMOUNT THE BIGGEST RISK TO RETURN TO NORMALCY IS THAT THIS WHOLE THING IS MAKING US FORGET WHAT LIFE IS LIKE BEFORE WE’RE CREATURE OF HABITS THE LONGER THIS GOES, THE LONGER WE’RE NOT GETTING BACK TO NORMAL AGAIN, PEOPLE — OF COURSE WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE ECONOMY HERE, ROSEMARY, BUT PEOPLE TALKING

ABOUT NORMALCY AND REALLY WONDERING WHAT THAT IS GOING TO MEAN SO IT’S A BIG QUESTION FOR EVERYBODY THIS IS A LIVE TOWN HALL, OF COURSE AND I AM READING PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING TO US IN CONTACT DIRECTLY WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU WE ARE FOCUSING ON TORONTO IN A LITTLE BIT AND WILL BE JOINED IN A MOMENT BY MAYOR JOHN TORY SO SEND US YOUR QUESTIONS VIA TWITTER OR YOU CAN E-MAIL — TWEET EITHER ONE OF US, SEND US AN E-MAIL, OR JOIN THE CONVERSATION ON THE Facebook LIVE PAGE >> Rosemary: IT’S SORT OF LIKE CROSS COUNTRY CHECKUP, BUT IT’S AT NIGHT AND TV INVOLVED >> TV INVOLVED NORMALLY I WEAR A TUX ON CROSS COUNTRY >> Rosemary: [LAUGHTER] I HAD NO IDEA AS WE KNOW, THIS PANDEMIC HAS HIT DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY DIFFERENTLY AND, YES, CITIES HAVE BEEN HIT DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE OF THE DENSITY, THE POPULATION THE LARGE URBAN CENTRES HAVE FACED A BIG CHALLENGE WHEN IT COMES TO HOW TO REOPEN, HOW TO MAINTAIN THE PHYSICAL DISTANCING, WHETHER IT BE ON TRANSIT, SHOPPING MALLS OR CROWDED SIDEWALKS HERE’S HOW THE LARGE IS CITY IS GETTING READY TO REOPEN >> Reporter: IN RECENT DAYS, THINGS HAVE SHIFTED IN ONTARIO WE ARE NOW TALKING ABOUT THE PROVINCE ACTUALLY STARTING TO REOPEN AND WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE WITH MORE THAN JUST A FEW PEOPLE OUT ON THESE STREETS THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS ARE COMPLICATED TAKE THE GREATER TORONTO AREA WITH ITS SIX MILLION PEOPLE IT WILL BE NO SIMPLE MATTER TO OPEN UP SHOPPING MALLS, BUSINESSES AND OFFICE TOWERS WHILE STILL RESPECTING PHYSICAL DISTANCING >> WE’VE GOT THEIR ORDER ALREADY PACKED UP AND READY TO GO >> Reporter: THIS WEEK, AS A FIRST STEP, ONTARIO ALLOWED SOME BUSINESSES TO OFFER CURBSIDE PICKUP LIA WAS ALREADY PROVIDING SHIPPING DISCOUNTS AS A WAY TO ATTRACT CUSTOMERS TO HER GIFT SHOP >> DOING WHAT WE COULD TO ADAPT AND GET PEOPLE CONTINUING TO SHOP WITH US SUPPORTING SMALL BUSINESS >> Reporter: MAYBE BUSINESSES LIKE DENTAL OFFICES REMAIN CLOSED THESE DAYS, THEY’RE BEING FITTED FOR NEW PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT AS THEY PREPARE FOR A WORKPLACE >> THE APPEARANCE IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT, YOUR DENTIST IS NOT GOING TO LOOK THE SAME WAY >> Reporter: THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT IS PROMISING MORE DETAILS ON THE NEXT BUSINESSES TO REOPEN, BUT ONTARIO’S PREMIER IS EMPHASIZING THAT RETURNING TO NORMAL IN THE PROVINCE WILL ONLY HAPPEN SLOWLY AND CAUTIOUSLY >> Rosemary: THE MAYOR OF TORONTO, JOHN TORY, JOINS US NOW FROM TORONTO GOOD TO SEE YOU >> HEY, ROSIE >> Rosemary: YOU HEARD THERE, THE PREMIER IS GOING TO ANNOUNCE DETAILS WE HAVE A FEW OF THE DETAILS WE KNOW THAT THEY’RE GOING TO REFOCUS ON CONSTRUCTION WORK AND RETAIL SHOPS OUTSIDE OF MALLS WILL BE SOME OF THE FIRST PLACES TO SEE RESTRICTIONS LIFTED WHAT WILL THAT DO TO HELP TORONTO? >>LE WELL, IT WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO GET BACK TO THE WORK AND IMPROVE THE PSYCHOLOGY OF THE CITY THEY’RE GOING TO MAKE MOVES ON GOLF COURSES AND MARINAS, WHILE THOSE AREN’T MEANT TO BE TRIVIAL IN TERMS OF THE JOBS, I THINK IT WILL MAKE PEOPLE FEEL BETTER ON THE MAY WEEKEND SOME THINGS THEY ASSOCIATE WITH SUMMER AND GOOD NEWS ARE COMING BACK THE KEY HERE IS THAT I DON’T THINK IT’S GOING TO BE A HUGE, YOU KNOW, TRANSFORMATION FOR THE FIRST PHASE AND THAT’S IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK THE NUMBERS ARE BETTER, BUT THEY’RE NOT YET WHERE THEY NEED TO BE SO TO HAVE A WHOLESALE OPENING UP OF THE CITY, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE, INCLUDING ME ARE PRAYING FOR, BUT ONLY WHEN PUBLIC HEALTH SAYS IT’S TIME TO READY TO DEAL WITH ISSUES LIKE TRANSIT AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT >> Rosemary: LISTENING TO YOU EARLIER TODAY AND YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS YOU WERE DOING, BUT YOU MADE THAT APPEAL AGAIN AS CITIES ARE ECONOMIC ENGINES I WONDER IF YOU’RE FEELING THAT EVEN MORE RIGHT NOW AND WHETHER YOU FEEL YOU’RE BEING HEARD BY THE FEDERAL OR PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT WHEN YOU MAKE THAT APPEAL? >> WE’RE MAKING PROGRESS ON THAT THE FACT IS, LOOK I KNOW THE TORONTO NUMBERS BETTER, ALTHOUGH I KNOW IN VANCOUVER THEY’RE LOSING $4-5 MILLION, CALGARY IS $10-15 MILLION, TORONTO IS LOSING $65 MILLION A WEEK AS YOU WEAKEN THE CITIES, YOU’RE WEAKEN THEIR ABILITY TO BE AT THE VERY FOUNDATION OF THE RECOVERY OF THIS COUNTRY AND COME BACK AS STRONGLY AS PREMIER HIGGS SAID WE WOULD, COULD AND WE WILL BUT YOU CAN HAVE NOT HAVE WEAK CITIES DOING THAT TORONTO ALONE, I KNOW IT EVACUATES PEOPLE — AGGRAVATES

PEOPLE, ACCOUNTS FOR 20% OF THE ECONOMY WE’RE BUSY CUTTING TRANSIT AND CHILD CARE AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS LIKE THAT THAT SUPPORT PEOPLE IN GOING BACK TO WORK AND MAKING USE OF THEMSELVES, THEN WE’RE GOING TO BE HURTING THE COUNTRY SO I WANT CITIES, ALL OF THEM, FROM VANCOUVER TO ST. JOHN’S TO BE STRONGS, NOT TO BE IN A PERILOUS STATE AND THAT IS GOING TO REQUIRE THE PROVINCIAL AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS, STARTING WITH THE PROVINCES BECAUSE THEY HAVE PRINCIPLE RESPONSIBILITY, TO SIT DOWN AND SORT SOMETHING OUT TO HELP US BECAUSE WE’RE GOING TO RETURN THAT MANY TIMES OVER TO THEIR COFFERS, WITH REVENUES FROM H.S.T., INCOME TAX, CORPORATE TAX THAT’S WHERE THE MONEY GOES AS THE RESULT OF OF THE SUCCESS OF THE ECONOMIES IN THE CITIES >> Rosemary: WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW YOUR PREMIER, MY PREMIER, TOO, THE PREMIER OF ONTARIO, IS MAKING THAT PITCH TO THE FEDEL GOVERNMENT? BECAUSE IF HE DOESN’T HAVE THE CASH TO DO IT, IT HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE? >> I DON’T THINK HE WAS MAKING MUCH OF PITCH AND HE WAS CONCERNED WITH OTHER THINGS BUT TODAY HE SAID WE’RE IN THE CORNER OF THE CITIES WE UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO HELP WE NEED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO SIT WITH US IN ORDER TO FIND OUT HOW WE’RE GOING TO DO THAT — PROVIDE THAT ASSISTANCE THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT STEP FORWARD AND I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT HE IS JOINED BY SOME OF THE OTHER COLLEAGUES WHO REALIZE IT’S IN THEIR OWN SELF-INTEREST, BUT IN THE INTEREST OF THE COUNTRY THAT WE KEEP CITIES HEALTHY THAT WE MAKE SURE THEY’RE NOT TRYING TO DIG THEMSELVES OUT OF A MASSIVE HOLE IF THE CITIES WERE LEFT TO PAY OFF THE NUMBERS AS A RESULT OF THE PANDEMIC, IT WOULD RESULT IN PROPERTY TAX INCREASES OF 30, 40, 50%, WHICH IS NOT SUSTAINABLE FOR PEOPLE HURTING AND WE WOULD HAVE TO CUT TRANSIT WINDSOR HAS CLOSED THEIR TRANSIT SYSTEM HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY OPERATE A LARGE CITY, WINDSOR, LET ALONE CALGARY, VANCOUVER, MONTREAL, TORONTO, WITH A CLOSED TRANSIT SYSTEM? IT WILL BE HELP THAT WILL PAY ITSELF BACK IN A STRONGER COUNTRY IN COMING OUT OF THIS >> Rosemary: CAN YOU GIVE ME A SENSE OF WHAT TORONTO IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE? I KNOW TODAY YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EXTENDING PATIOS TO RESTAURANTS TO GET PEOPLE SOMEWHERE TO SIT TAKE AWAY WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS ARE NOW, IF YOU HAD TO GO TO JUNE OR JULY, WHAT DO YOU THINK TORONTO IS GOING TO BE LIKE? >> I THINK IT WILL BE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, IN SOME OF THE PHYSICAL DISTANCING REQUIREMENTS WILL BE RELAXED INSTEAD OF FIVE PEOPLE, IT MAY BE UP TO 25 OR 50 BUT WE STILL CAN’T HAVE THE BIG EVENTS, LIKE THE PRIDE PARADE, THE RAPTORS THEY’LL BE SITTING IN TABLES FAR APART FROM EACH OTHER BECAUSE THEY CAN’T BE TOO CLOSE THEY’LL BE WEARING MACK MASKS SOME STORES HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT THE STREETS WILL BE MORE CROWDED THAN TODAY BUT LESS CROWDED THAN NORMAL SO I THINK WHAT YOU’LL SEE IS A CITY IN A PROFOUND TRANSITION AS ALL THE CANADIAN STILL WILL BE THERE WILL BE MORE LIFE ON THE STREETS THAN TODAY, BUT NOWHERE BACK TO NORMAL BECAUSE IT’S GOING TO TAKE TIME FOR THE NUMBERS TO MATCH UP TO THE ABILITY TO LIVE A NORMAL LIFE, WHATEVER NORMAL MEANS ANYMORE >> Rosemary: THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME I KNOW YOU’RE BUSY WE APPRECIATE IT HERE THAT’S THE TORONTO MAYOR, JOHN TORY AS WE TALK ABOUT HOW CANADA’S BIGGEST CITY IS COPING, I KNOW LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE WONDERING HOW AM I GOING TO DO ANYTHING? THE CANADA-U.S. BORDER IS STILL CLOSED TO NON-ESSENTIAL TRAVEL, BUT WHAT ABOUT TRAVELLING INSIDE CANADA? AS YOU HEARD FROM PREMIER HIGGS, IT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN FOR HIS PROVINCE BUT CAN YOU TRAVEL WITHIN YOUR OWN PROVINCE? SARAH LEAVITT AND SOME OF HER COLLEAGUES TRIED TO HELP US ANSWER THE QUESTION >> Reporter: I’M HERE AT THE ONTARIO-QUÉBEC BORDER AS YOU CAN TELL, I’M ON THE QUÉBEC SIDE AM I ALLOWED TO CROSS OVER? WE RECEIVED A LOT OF QUESTIONS WHAT ARE THE RULES AROUND TRAVELLING TO ANOTHER PROVINCE? SO WILL I GET STOPPED IN I CROSS INTO ONTARIO? WHEN IT COMES TO TRAVEL WITHIN CANADA, ONTARIO IS ONE OF THE PROVINCES WITHOUT RESTRICTIONS WANT TO GO TO BRITISH COLUMBIA, SASKATCHEWAN OR, SAY, ALBERTA? >> TECHNICALLY, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO VISIT, BUT THE PROVINCE SAYS ONLY IF YOU REALLY NEED TO AND REMEMBER, YOU CAN’T VISIT THOSE NATIONAL PARKS LIKE BANFF OR JASPER, THEY’RE STILL CLOSED >> Reporter: WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER PROVINCES AND TERRITORIES? FOR THE MOST PART, ONLY ESSENTIAL TRAVEL IS ALLOWED AND SELF-ISOLATION RULES ARE MANDATORY TAKE YUKON >> IF YOU’RE A YUKON RESIDENT, YOU CAN COME HERE, BUT YOU NEED

TO ISOLATE ONCE YOU’RE HERE FOR TWO WEEKS IF YOU’RE NONRESIDENT, YOU MUST PROVE >> Reporter: AND NEW BRUNSWICK? >> YOU’RE NOT WELCOME UNLESS YOU’RE AN ESSENTIAL WORKER BUT NEW BRUNSWICK IS TALKING ABOUT UPPING THE RESTRICTIONS >> WE NEED TO TAKE CARE AND CONTROL THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE TO NEW BRUNSWICK >> Reporter: YES, IN MOST CASES YOU CAN TRAVEL TO OTHER PROVINCES, BUT THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD YOU? >> DON’T CROSS THE BORDER WE LOVE OUR QUÉBEC NEIGHBOURS, BUT JUST WAIT UNTIL THIS ALL OVER >> Reporter: WHAT ABOUT TRAVEL INSIDE YOUR PROVINCE? PLENTY OF COTTAGERS ASK THIS QUESTION WITH VICTORIA LONG WEEKEND UPON US THE RULES ARE NONBINDING, BUT THE ADVICE FROM THE QUÉBEC DEP PREMIER IS ECHOED ACROSS THE COUNTRY >> JUST BECAUSE THE REGION IS REOPEN AND THAT THERE IS NO MORE CONTROL, YOU MUST NOT GO IN THOSE REGIONS IF YOU DON’T HAVE A GOOD REASON TO GO >> Reporter: THE MESSAGE THIS LONG WEEKEND, USE YOUR JUDGMENT AND CONSIDER THE HOT SPOTS IN YOUR PROVINCE BEFORE YOU TRAVEL SARAH LEAVITT, CBC NEWS, MONTREAL >> Rosemary: HOW DO WE DO IS THIS? REOPEN SAFELY? ALLOW PEOPLE TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES, TRAVEL? WHAT NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE TO HELP US DO THIS? THIS IS A PROFESSOR AND HEAD OF THE EPIDEMIOLOGY DIVISION AT THE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO GOOD TO SEE YOU >> HI THANKS FOR HAVING ME >> Rosemary: I FOLLOW ALL OUR TWEETS TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THINGS ON A TOPIC THAT IS VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND SO TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK HAS TO BE IN PLACE IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE TO FEEL SAFE? IS IT TESTING, CONTACT TRACING? ALL OF THOSE THINGS? JUST GIVE US A SENSE OF WHAT YOU’RE LOOKING FOR? >> SO THE BEDROCK WE’RE GOING TO BUILD A REVITALIZED ECONOMY ON THE BEDROCK OF PUBLIC HEALTH SURVEILLANCE THAT’S OUR EYES AND EARS COVID IS SNEAKY IT’S HARD TO SEE WITHOUT DOING A LOT OF TESTING SO I UNDERSTAND THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO IS GOING TO BE COMING UP WITH A TESTING STRATEGY ALL PROVINCES NEED THOSE BECAUSE WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS — YOU KNOW, THERE IS THIS CHOICE, THIS FALSE DICHOTOMY, THAT WE CAN HAVE HEALTH OR A GOOD ECONOMY RIGHT? IT’S NOT SO WHAT WE NEED IS STRONG PUBLIC HEALTH SURVEILLANCE AND STRONG PUBLIC HEALTH SYSTEMS SO THAT WE CAN REOPEN OUR ECONOMY SAFELY, BECAUSE I DON’T THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LINING UP TO SPEND MONEY IF THEY FEAR FOR THEIR LIVES IF THEY GO TO STORES OR OUT IN PUBLIC SO WE NEED STRONG PUBLIC HEALTH SYSTEMS SO THAT WE CAN OPEN OUR ECONOMY ALL THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED, TESTING, CONTACT TRACING, SOME DEGREE AS MAYOR TORY SAID OF ONGOING DISTANCING, ARE ALL GOING TO BE IMPORTANT AND THEY WORK TOGETHER IN CRITICAL WAYS TO KEEP US RECEIVE AND KEEP THE NUMBER BELOW ONE THAT MEANS WE DON’T HAVE EXPLOSIVE GROWTH OF EPIDEMICS WE TALKED ABOUT CONTACT TRACING A LITTLE BIT WE NEED TO HAVE FEW ENOUGH CASES HAPPENING WE NEED TO GET THAT REPRODUCTION NUMBER LOW ENOUGH THAT WHEN NEW CASES HAPPEN, IT’S ACTUALLY POSSIBLE FOR OUR PUBLIC HEALTH UNITS TO TRACK DOWN THE CONTACTS OF THOSE NEWLY IDENTIFIED CASES AND TELL THEM TO QUARANTINE THEMSELVES SO WE DON’T HAVE ONGOING TRANSMISSION WE CAN’T DO THAT IF WE’RE HAVING HUNDREDS OF CASES A DAY WE NEED CONTACT TRACING WE NEED LOTS OF TESTING SO WE CAN FIND ALL THOSE CASES TO ISOLATE THE CONTACT PREDICTABLY — GO AHEAD >> Rosemary: I WAS GOING TO SAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRUCK ME THIS WEEK, THIS STORY OUT OF SOUTH KOREA ONE GENTLEMAN GOES TO A COUPLE OF NIGHT CLUBS AND IMMEDIATELY THERE IS A SPREAD OF THE VIRUS I REALIZE NO ONE IS GOING TO NIGHT CLUBS IN CANADA, BUT IT DOES SHOW YOU HOW QUICKLY YOU CAN HAVE A RESURGENCE OF THE VIRUS WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING HERE? BECAUSE THE ADVANTAGE WE HAVE, I GUESS, THEY’RE FURTHER ALONG THAN US AND THEY CAN TEACH US LESSONS? >> SOUTH KOREA HAS TAUGHT US SO MUCH THEY’VE BEEN BASICALLY A MONTH AHEAD OF US ALL THE WAY ALONG THEY EXPLODED BEFORE WE EXPLODED WE’VE LEARNED A TONNE FROM THEM DIRECTLY AND IT’S CREATED DIRECT RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN CANADIAN RESEARCHERS AND KOREAN RESEARCHERS BUT AS YOU SAY, THEY’RE THE BEST — OR ONE OF THE BEST COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD AT CONTROLLING THIS AND THEY’RE HAVING SETBACKS WE CAN PREDICT THAT WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE COMING MONTHS, WE’RE GOING TO HAVE EVENTS THAT TELL US WE’VE GONE TOO FAR

WE KNOW IT SHUTS EPIDEMICS DOWN, SO WE CAN RETREAT TO THAT IF WE NEED TO BUT THE WAY WE KNOW HOW TO TURN THE SAFETY VALVE ON AND OFF IS EXCELLENT PUBLIC HEALTH SURVEILLANCE SO WE NEED A REALLY STRONG TESTING GAME TO KNOW HOW FAR TO OPEN THE ECONOMY AND IF WITH NEED TO TIGHTEN UP ON DISTANCING KOREA IS NOT THE ONLY ONE RIGHT? WE HAVE CASES BACK IN WUHAN WE HAVE CASES IN GERMANY NOW WE HAVE CASES IN SINGAPORE ALL THESE PLACES THAT HAVE DONE REALLY WELL ARE HAVING RESURGENCES, AND WE WILL TOO >> Rosemary: WHAT ARE YOU TELLING CANADIANS IN TERMS OF TESTING I KNOW DR. TAM SAID 60,000 A DAY I KNOW WE’RE NOWHERE NEAR THAT >> I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS WHEN WE SPEAK TO COLLEAGUES IN NEW ZEALAND, WHICH IS ANOTHER PLACE THAT HAS DONE WELL, THEY’VE EXPANDED TESTING AND CONTROLLED THEIR EPIDEMICS WE STILL HAVE A SITUATION NEAR ONTARIO WHERE I FEEL I’M PRACTISING CLINICIAN AS WELL — AND I FEEL AS THOUGH WE HAVE PEOPLE SENT TO TESTING CENTRES IN ORDER TO BE TOLD THEY DON’T QUALIFY TO GET A TEST WE NEED TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT THERE IS A COLLEAGUE IN NEW ZEALAND, SAYING AT THIS POINT THEY’RE TESTING ANYONE WITH A STUFFY NOSE THEY WANT TO FIND MORE THEY WANT TO FIND EVERY LAST SPARK TO PREVENT THE FOREST FIRE FROM STARTING UP AGAIN WE’RE NOT CLOSE TO THAT IN ONTARIO WE’RE GETTING CLOSE TO THAT IN TERMS OF CAPACITY, BUT THE CULTURE AND THE PUBLIC HEALTH GUIDANCE AREN’T THERE YET AND THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE AND SOON >> Rosemary: I HAVE ONE QUESTION FROM A VIEWER A CANADIAN SENT THIS IN AND THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD ONE FOR YOU TO ANSWER >> HEY, EVERYONE THIS IS ANDREW IN TORONTO MY QUESTION IS REALLY AROUND THE POTENTIAL EASING OF SOCIAL DISTANCING MEASURES WHEN THAT BECOMES APPROPRIATE WHAT WOULD A GRADUAL RETURN TO NORMAL LOOK LIKE AS A PANDEMIC SUBSIDES AND HOW WOULD WE AVOID A SECOND WAVE OF INFECTIONS? THANKS SO MUCH >> Rosemary: THAT’S A GOOD QUESTION, PARTICULARLY THE SECOND WAVE PART >> I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AS WE ARE ABOUT TO GET UP AND WALK THROUGH A MINE FIELD OKAY? AND WE WANT TO SEE WHERE THE MINES ARE SO WE DON’T STEP ON THEM WE KNOW WHERE SOME OF THE MINES ARE LARGE GATHERINGS — MAYOR TORY ALLUDED TO THIS — SOME OF THE MINES ARE LARGE GATHERINGS OF PEOPLE WE KNOW WE HAVE ISSUES OF CONGREGATE SETTINGS, LONG-TERM CARE, PRISONS, HOSPITALS WE KNOW WHERE SOME OF THE MINES ARE GETTING BACK TO SOME SEMBLANCE OF NORMAL LIFE, WE HAVE THE SURVEILLANCE SYSTEMS THERE WHEN THE DISEASE IS STARTING TO RESURGE AND THAT’S HOW WE KNOW WE’VE GONE FAR ENOUGH PEOPLE HAVE SHOWN A REMARKABLE WILLINGNESS TO CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOURS IF THE PUBLIC IS ON THE TEAM HERE THEY’VE SHOWN A WILLINGNESS TO MASK UP, WHICH IS CULTURALLY DIFFERENT FOR US AS CANADIANS, BUT IS PROBABLY HELPING AND I THINK WE NEED GOOD TRANSPARENT GUIDANCE AND LEADERSHIP FROM THE PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITIES >> Rosemary: YOU’VE TAUGHT ME A LOT AND CANADIANS AS WELL I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME HE’S A PROFESSOR AND HEAD OF EPIDEMIOLOGY AT THE DIVISION OF THE SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO I DO RECOMMEND HIS TWITTER ACCOUNT HE TWEETS INTERESTING THINGS EVERY DAY THAT TEACH ME A LOT IN THESE UNCERTAIN TIMES FOR EVERYONE, THIS INCLUDES POST-SECONDARY STUDENTS, MANY OF THEM FINISH THEIR SCHOOL YEAR WITH VIRTUAL CLASSES AND NOW MANY OF THEM ARE BEING TOLD, WE DON’T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN SEPTEMBER OR YOU’RE STAYING ONLINE CHRISTOPHER IS STARTING SCHOOL THIS FALL HE JOINS ME FROM LAVAL, QUÉBEC >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME >> Rosemary: YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO ONLINE IN SEPTEMBER I GUESS HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? >> IT’S A LITTLE STRANGE FEELING IT’S ONE THAT WE KIND OF SAW COMING, BUT I’M WONDERING WHAT IT’S GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR US, BECAUSE AS MEDICAL STUDENTS, IT’S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE HANDS-ON APPROACH AND TO NOT BE LEARNING ONLY THROUGH THEORY, BUT THROUGH PRESENCE AND WORKING WITH OUR HANDS SO I’M WONDERING HOW THAT IS GOING TO PLAY OUT WE’RE DEFINITELY GOING TO BE MISSING THE LABS IF THEY’RE UNABLE TO BE ACCOMMODATED NEXT SEMESTER >> Rosemary: FOR SURE I WONDER IF YOU WORRY YOU MIGHT GET A DIFFERENT QUALITY OF TEACHING OR EDUCATION THE FACT IS WHEN YOU’RE FACE-TO-FACE WITH SOMEONE, THINGS ARE DIFFERENT ANYWAY >> ABSOLUTELY SO EVERYTHING CHANGES WHEN YOU’RE DOING IT IN PERSON

AND I AGREE WITH YOU IT’S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE A COMPLETE EDUCATION EXPERIENCE IN MEDICINE WITHOUT HAVING IN-PERSON LABS >> Rosemary: AND THE FACT THAT YOU ARE — I GUESS YOU WANT TO BE A DOCTOR — I’M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU A PERSONAL QUESTION HAS ANY OF THIS MADE YOU THINK TWICE OR REDEDICATED YOU TO THAT? >> IT’S BEEN INSPIRING TO SEE THE WORK OF MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS DURING A TIME OF CRISIS, HOWEVER, IT’S DISHEARTENING BECAUSE I WANTED TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT AND ONLINE FORMAT IS NOT GOING TO ALLOW ME TO DO THAT >> Rosemary: ARE YOU GOING TO GO BACK AND DO YOUR BEST? >> THAT’S THE ONLY OPTION WE’RE GIVING AND PERHAPS THEY’LL GIVE US VIRTUAL LABS WE’RE GOING TO GIVE IT 100%, 100% OF THE TIME AND WE’LL LEARN THE THEORY AND IF THEY CAN’T ACCOMMODATE, WE’LL JUST MAKE UP FOR IT IN THE SUBSEQUENT YEARS WITH HOPEFULLY IN-PERSON LABS AT THAT TIME >> Rosemary: OKAY CHRISTOPHER HE STARTS MEDICAL SCHOOL AT McGILL UNIVERSITY IN THE FALL AS WE KNOW THERE ARE LOTS OF UNIVERSITIES GOING THROUGH THIS THE PANDEMIC IS GIVING CANADIANS FOOD FOR THOUGHT IN MANY WAYS NOT ONLY ABOUT WHAT THEY EAT, BUT ALSO HOW IT ACTUALLY GETS TO YOUR KITCHEN TABLE MAYBE SOMETHING WE DON’T THINK ABOUT ENOUGH ROB BROWN HAS BEEN LOOKING AT HOW THE PANDEMIC IS AFFECTING CANADA’S FOOD SUPPLY >> Reporter: MOST OF US HAVE PROBABLY TAKEN IT FOR FRONT GRANTED, HAVEN’T WE? WALKING INTO A GROCERY STORE TO FIND THE SHELVES STOCKED WE HAVEN’T HAD TO THINK TOO HARD ABOUT THE COMPLEX SYSTEMS THAT ENSURE WHAT WE NEED IS AVAILABLE WHEN WE NEED IT BUT ALL THAT HAS CHANGED OVER THE LAST EIGHT WEEKS OR SO FROM TOILET PAPER TO HAND SANITIZER TO OUR SUPPLY OF MEAT THE CARGILL BEEF PROCESSING PLANT IN MIGHT HAVE RIVER WAS FOR A TIME THE SITE OF THE LARGEST COVID OUTBREAK IN NORTH AMERICA IT’S BEEN THE SAME ACROSS THE CONTINENT PROCESSING PLANTS CLOSING AND REDUCING SHIFTS THIS HAS AFFECTED MEAT SUPPLY BECAUSE IT’S A CLOSELY LINKED CROSS BORDER SECTOR RIGHT NOW THERE IS BACKLOG OF 140,000 HOGS IN EASTERN CANADA AND MORE THAN 100,000 HEAD OF CATTLE IN ALBERTA RANCHERS AND FARMERS WORRIED ABOUT HOW TO MANAGE THE HERDS AND YOU, THE CONSUMER, WONDERING IF THIS COULD LEAD TO EMPTY SHELVES CARGILL ACCOUNTS FOR 40% OF THE PROCESSED BEEF IN THE COUNTRY FOOD SHORTAGES APPARENTLY AREN’T A CONCERN RIGHT NOW, BUT SOBEYS TELLS CBC NEWS THAT CONSUMERS CAN EXPECT SOME MEAT PRICES TO GO UP SHOPPERS ARE OKAY WITH SHIFTING FROM BEEF TO PORK TO CHICKEN AS PRICES CHANGE CHICKEN PRODUCTION HAS REMAINED STABLE BECAUSE OF THE LARGE NUMBER OF PROCESSING PLANTS IN CANADA AS FOR OTHER FOODS, POTATO PRODUCERS WOULD LIKE YOU TO DOUBLE YOUR ORDER THE NEXT TIME YOU’RE ASKED, WOULD YOU LIKE FRIES WITH THAT? THEY’RE EXPERIENCING A MASSIVE BACKLOG AND ORCHARDS AND FARMS WORKING ON PHYSICAL DISTANCING MEASURES AND COLLECTING P.P.E. AS THEY BEGIN THE HARVEST SO FROM BERRIES TO BEEF, PRODUCERS ARE DEALING WITH ALL KINDS OF CHALLENGES TO KEEP THOSE SHELVES STOCKED ROB BROWN, CBC NEWS, CALGARY >> Rosemary: SO, YES, FARMERS, A MAJOR PART OF THE COUNTRY’S FOOD SUPPLY CHAIN AND PARTS OF THEM HAVE BEEN HIT HARD BY WHAT IS HAPPENING THE GOVERNMENT HAS OFFERED SOME SUPPORT WE WANT TO TOUCH BASE WITH TWO OF THEM SHERRY BARNES, IS A FOURTH GENERATION CATTLE RANCHER IN JUMPING POUND, ALBERTA LOOKS GORGEOUS BEHIND YOU AND MICHELE CAMPS IS THE VICE CHAIR OF THE POTATO GROWERS OF ALBERTA LOOKS GOOD BEHIND HIM, TOO THANK YOU, BOTH, FOR MAKING THE TIME AND TAKING THESE PICTURES OUTSIDE FOR US TO SEE WHERE YOU DO YOUR BUSINESS SHERRY, HOW HAS THIS AFFECTED YOUR BUSINESS RIGHT NOW? >> FROM THE BEEF SIDE OF THIS, THIS HAS BEEN REALLY TOUGH BECAUSE EVERY DAY THAT ONE OF OUR PLANTS IS SHUT DOWN OR SLOWED DOWN, WE’RE LOOKING AT 6-9,000 HEAD OF CATTLE BACKLOGGED MEANING THAT MANY ANIMALS ARE STACKING UP WITHIN A SYSTEM THAT AREN’T GOING TO SLAUGHTER THAT SHOULD BE SO OUR CATTLE FEEDERS ARE FACING HUGE LOSSES RIGHT NOW BECAUSE, LIKE IT OR NOT, WE CAN’T STOP THESE ANIMALS FROM BEING FED, SO WE HAVE TO PUT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF COST KEEPING THEM ALIVE AND HEALTHY AS WE WAIT FOR

THEIR TURN TO GET THROUGH >> Rosemary: DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF HOW MUCH YOU HAVE LOST FOR HAVING TO KEEP YOUR CATTLE FED AND THERE ON YOUR PROPERTY FOR LONGER PERIODS OF TIME THAN PLANNED? >> RIGHT NOW, THEY’RE LOSING ABOUT $600 PER HEAD THEY SELL IT’S COSTING THEM $4 PER HEAD PER DAY SO OUR INDUSTRY IS LOSING HALF A MILLION DOLLARS EVERY DAY WE’RE INTO THESE SLOWDOWNS WHAT THAT MEANS FOR ME AS A COW PRODUCER, THAT THESE BABY CALVES, THEY MAY NOT HAVE A MARKET NEXT FALL BECAUSE THERE WON’T BE EMPTY PENS FOR THEM AND I’LL HAVE NO PLACE TO SELL THESE CALVES ALSO, THIS IS SPRINGTIME AND I NEED TO BE PLANTING FEED TO MAKE SURE THAT I’VE GOT FEED FOR NEXT WINTER I DON’T HAVE ENOUGH AREA TO BE ABLE TO WINTER ALL THESE CALVES IF THEY DON’T HAVE SOMEPLACE TO GO, I’M IN BIG TROUBLE >> Rosemary: I’LL COME BACK TO YOU EVERYONE HAS HEARD ABOUT THE POTATO PROBLEM THERE ARE TOO MANY OF THEM TELL ME HOW YOUR BUSINESS HAS BEEN AFFECTED? >> WE WENT FROM A 7% SHORTAGE LAST FALL DURING HARVEST AND THEN COVID CAME AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE’RE DEALING WITH 20% SURPLUS OF POTATOES IN THE PROVINCE STORAGE SHEDS LIKE THE ONE BEHIND ME ARE GOING TO BE FULL HERE GOING INTO THE SUMMER WE’RE DEALING WITH A PERISHABLE GOOD AND WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET RID OF IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER >> Rosemary: WHY HAS THIS HAPPENED? PEOPLE ARE STILL BUYING GROCERIES, WHY ARE YOU OVERLOADED WITH POTATOES? >> A LARGE PORTION, 80% OF THE POTATOES ARE DESTINED FOR THE PROCESS MARKET THAT IS THE MARKET THAT MAKES FRENCH FRIES, HASH BROWNS, POTATOES CHIPS, PRODUCTS LIKE THAT WHEN PEOPLE GO TO THE GROCERY STORES AND BUY POTATOES FROM THE GROCERY AISLE, THAT IS A DIFFERENT PART OF THE INDUSTRY A LARGE PORTION OF THE POTATOES IN THIS PROVINCE ARE MADE INTO FRENCH FRIES AND SINCE PEOPLE DON’T NECESSARILY EAT FRENCH FRIES AT HOME, WE’RE SEEING A HUGE, HUGE REDUCTION OF DEMAND OF OUR PRODUCT HERE >> Rosemary: SO I’M CLEAR AND VIEWERS ARE CLEAR AND LISTENERS, TOO, BEHIND YOU, THAT IS FULL OF POTATOES? >> YEAH, THE BUILDING BEHIND ME IS A POTATO STORAGE THIS HOLDS 270 LOADS OF RAW POTATOES AND THEY’LL BE PROCESSED OVER THE COURSE OF THE WINTER AND INTO THE EARLY SUMMER INTO FRENCH FRIES FOR THE RESTAURANT BUSINESS >> Rosemary: LET ME GO BACK THEN YOU DON’T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS OR HOW THIS IS GOING TO WORK THE GOVERNMENT DID OFFER $252 MILLION AND SOME OF IT WAS FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF WHO HAVE TO HOLD AND FEED ANIMALS FOR LONGER WAS THAT ENOUGH? AND WHAT MORE SUPPORTS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? >> IT’S A GOOD START, BUT AS YOU CAN TELL, YOU’RE ACCUMULATING HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A DAY, IT DOESN’T LAST LONG REMEMBER, OUR INDUSTRY IS SEGMENTED WHAT HAPPENS AT THE RANCH LEVEL IS DIFFERENT THAN THE FEED LOT LEVEL NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE PLANTS, WE’RE STILL 3-4 MONTHS OUT OF EVEN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO TO MY CALF MARKET THERE HAS TO BE AN ACCESS TO FUNDS BECAUSE THIS COSTS US CASH WE HAVE TO KEEP THE ANIMALS ALIVE AND FED THAT’S THE BIGGEST THING WE NEED WHETHER IT’S THROUGH GOVERNMENT FUNDING OR ACCESS TO LOANS, THAT’S GOING TO BE DETERMINED, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE OUR NUMBER ONE ISSUE >> Rosemary: WHAT IS THE BIGGEST WORRY FOR YOU? ARE YOU AT THE POINT WHERE YOU’RE WORRIED ABOUT LOSING THE RANCH? >> I DON’T HAVE THE LUXURY OF WORRYING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE CAN’T STOP NATURE TELLS US WE HAVE TO GO WE’RE SEED /* — WE’RE JUST GOING TO KEEP WORKING ON HOPE AND MAKING SURE WE LOWER OUR COSTS AND MAKE SURE WE DO OUR BEST THAT THE CATTLE FEEDERS AHEAD OF US ARE HEALTHY AND MAKE SURE THIS SYSTEM KEEPS WORKING >> Rosemary: I’M A FAN OF YOUR DETERMINATION WHAT ABOUT YOU, MICHELE? THERE HAS BEEN SUPPORT HAS THAT TRICKLED DOWN TO YOU? AND WHAT DOES THE FUTURE HOLD FOR YOUR PLACE? >> OUR PROVINCE ANNOUNCED A LITTLE BIT OF HELP FOR THE SMALL BUSINESSES, BUT THE $252 MILLION THAT YOU TALK ABOUT, IN REALITY, IT’S FOR THE ENTIRE AGRICULTURAL SECTOR AND IT’S NOT GOING TO BE QUITE ENOUGH IT’S FAR FROM ENOUGH ACTUALLY IN ORDER TO GET US THROUGH THIS

PERIOD WHERE WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO DISPOSE OF PRODUCT AND DUMP IT INTO THE FIELDS OR FEED IT TO THE CATTLE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER GET RID OF IT AT A LOW PRICE, IS GOING TO PUT THE NEXT SEASON, WE JUST FINISHED PLANTING HERE, IS GOING TO PUT THE NEXT SEASON IN JEOPARDY ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE BANK PAYMENT? AFFORD INPUT? PAY OUR STAFF? THINGS LIKE THAT THAT IS A PROBLEM >> Rosemary: IS THAT STRESSFUL FOR YOU? >> VERY STRESSFUL >> I HAVE A FAMILY OF FOUR WE WORRY EVERY DAY WE HAVE SIX FULL-TIME STAFF THEY DEFINITELY SEE WE WORRY >> Rosemary: AS ALL CANADIANS COME TOGETHER AND EAT MORE POTATOES, WOULD THAT HELP? >> IT WOULD HELP FOR SURE, IT WOULD HELP SOME BUT THE LARGE PORTION OF THE POTATOES GROWN IN THE WESTERN CANADA, I DON’T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE EASTERN, ARE EXPORTED, TO THE COUNTRY IN THE U.S. AND PACIFIC RIM, AND A LOT OF THOSE COUNTRIES ARE SEEING REDUCED DEMAND THERE IS GOING TO BE A HUGE SURPLUS OF POTATOES BY THE TIME AUGUST HITS AND THAT’S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM >> Rosemary: TOUGH TIMES FOR BOTH OF YOU YOU HELPED CANADIANS UNDERSTAND AS WELL A CATTLE RANCHER IN JUMPING POUND, ALBERTA AND THE VICE CHAIR OF THE POTATOES GROWERS OF ALBERTA GOOD TO MEET YOU BOTH STAY SAFE GOOD LUCK THERE YOU GO JUST A LOT OF POTATOES OUT THERE AS WE HEARD, THE CONCERN FOR FARMERS NOW — I’LL BRING IN DUNCAN FOR THIS — HOW DO YOU POSSIBLY PLAN FOR THE MONTHS AHEAD WHEN YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT THE SITUATION WILL BE? IT’S A REAL STRUGGLE >> Duncan: IF THERE IS A FRENCH FRY CHALLENGE, SIGN ME UP I’LL DO MY BEST TO PITCH IN >> Rosemary: [LAUGHTER] >> Duncan: YOUR CONVERSATION WITH CHRISTOPHER SPARKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS HE IS A McGILL STUDENT WONDERING WHAT THE FALL IS GOING TO HOLD A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE WONDERING WHAT THEIR POST-SECONDARY SCHOOLING IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE STEPHEN SENT THIS BRIEF TWEET COVID-19, WHAT IS BEING DONE FOR UNIVERSITY SURVIVAL? AND ALSO FOR INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS? I THINK THIS IS A STORY WE’RE GOING TO SEE EMERGING AS UNIVERSITIES ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEIR REVENUES ARE COMING FROM AS THEY’RE PLANNING FOR THE FALL PIERRE SENT A TWEET WHICH MADE ME SMILE IT’S MAY AND TYPICALLY IN CANADA WE’D BE IN THE THICK OF NHL PLAYOFFS IS GARY BETTMAN SERIOUS AT NOT CONSIDERING CANCELLING THE REST OF THE NHL SEASON? OF COURSE, AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DOCTOR THERE, HE TALKED ABOUT THE MINE FIELDS — SOME OF THE MINE FIELDS BEING LARGE GATHERINGS, SO I DON’T THINK WE’RE GOING TO BE SEEING ANY SPORTS ANY TIME SOON AND THEN, OF COURSE, LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT SUMMER PLANS FOR LOTS OF CANADIANS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY’RE GOING TO DO FOR THE SUMMER AND ON TWITTER, PHILLIP SAID, THOUGH SOME ARE PESSIMISTIC FOR INTRAPROVINCIAL TRAFFIC, IT’S TO SAVE LOCAL >> Duncan: WE HAVE A FEW MINUTES LEFT IN THE SPECIAL, BUT IF YOU HAVE MORE COMMENTS, WE’D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU RIGHT NOW, WE’RE GOING TO TURN THE CONVERSATION TOWARD THE DEVELOPMENT OF A COVID-19 VACCINE WE’RE GOING TO BE JOINED BY SOMEONE WHO IS TRYING TO DO JUST THAT BUT WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU SEND US YOUR QUESTIONS, TWEET US, E-MAIL US OR LEAVE A COMMENT ON Facebook >> Rosemary: OKAY PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO SAY THE OTHER THING COVID-19 IS DOING IS CHANGING THE WAY WE SHOP AND, INDEED, WHAT WE BUY ANITA BATHE IS IN VANCOUVER WITH MORE ON THAT >> Reporter: THANKS THIS IS VANCOUVER’S GRANVILLE STREET THE EMPTY SIDEWALKS FAR FROM THE USUALLY HUSTLE AND BUSTLE THE PANDEMIC HAS FORCED MANY STORE FRONTS TO CLOSE A LOT OF THEM BOARDED UP LIKE THESE HERE THAT, COUPLED WITH THE FACT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HESITANT TO GO INSTORES THAT ARE OPEN, MEANS THAT CONSUMERS HAVE REALLY CHANGED THEIR HABITS TO START BUYING ONLINE AND THAT SHIFT TO E-COMMERCE HAS BEEN DRASTIC SPORTING GOODS, FURNITURE AND

HOME DECOR HAVE SEEN MASSIVE SPIKES AS PEOPLE TAKE ON MORE PROJECTS THE PROBLEM WITH STOCK AND SHIPMENT DELAYS MEAN THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE TO GO TO THE STORE, BUT IT DOESN’T LOOK THE SAME A LOT ARE OPTING FOR CURBSIDE PICKUP OR THEY’RE HAVING A BRAVE THE LONG LINEUPS, BEING SIX FEET APART FROM THOSE IN FRONT OF THEM WHAT ARE PEOPLE BUYING? WE’RE NOT HOARDING TOILET PAPER ANYONE ALL THE BAKING YOU’RE DOING, FLOUR SALES HAVE DOUBLED OVER THE SAME TIME LAST YEAR WHAT AREN’T PEOPLE BUYING? COSMETICS ARE DOWN A LOT SAME FOR CUT FLOWERS THE QUESTION IS, WILL COVID-19 HAVE A LONG-TERM EFFECT ON HOW AND WHEN AND WHERE WE BUY ANITA BATHE, CBC NEWS, VANCOUVER >> Rosemary: ALL RIGHT, SO IT’S A TOUGH TIME FOR LOTS OF DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES, PARTICULARLY RESTAURANTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND SOME HAVE ADAPTED AND COME UP WITH CREATIVE SOLUTIONS SHE OWNS A RESTAURANT AND EVENT HALL IN OAK BAY, MANITOBA AND JOINS ME NOW GOOD TO SEE YOU >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME >> Rosemary: YOU’RE IN THE RESTAURANT, WHICH IS EMPTY THERE, OBVIOUSLY WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR YOU IN YOUR RESTAURANT? HOW DIFFICULT HAS IT BEEN? >> WELL, WE CLOSED OUR DOORS MARCH 15 AND BY MARCH 20, WE PIVOTED AND LAUNCHED AN ONLINE MEAL AND GROCERY SERVICE, WHICH HAS GONE OVER QUITE WELL WE’VE HAD AMAZING SUPPORT AND AS OF THE PREVIOUS MONDAY WE WERE ABLE TO OPEN OUR PATIO, WHICH HAS BEEN A SLOW START BECAUSE WE’VE HAD QUITE A COLD SPRING HERE IN MANITOBA >> Rosemary: BUT IT IS OPENING? EVERYONE IS VERY JEALOUS OF THAT WE WATCH MANITOBA HAVE THAT YOU HAVE WEDDINGS AND BIG EVENTS THERE AND I IMAGINE THOSE NO LONGER ON THE TABLE EITHER? >> NOT AT THIS POINT WE ARE STILL HOPEFUL FOR THE SEASON, BUT WE DON’T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE CERTAINLY RESCHEDULED MANY OF OUR WEDDINGS, AND ALL OF MAY AND JUNE FOR SURE >> Rosemary: HAVE YOU BEEN SURPRISED WITH YOUR OWN ABILITY TO ADAPT, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DID THAT PRETTY QUICKLY? >> WE DID WE HAD AN AMAZING TEAM WE HAD A RETAIL STORE, SO THAT REALLY HELPED US TO LAUNCH THE PROGRAMME >> Rosemary: AND DO YOU THINK YOU’LL BE ABLE TO KEEP THE BUSINESS GOING? ARE YOU HOPEFUL? >> I AM VERY HOPEFUL >> Rosemary: OKAY GOOD TO HEAR I KNOW THAT’S A LOVELY PART OF MANITOBA THANKS FOR MAKING THE TIME VERY MUCH >> THANK YOU >> Rosemary: OF COURSE, WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE IN PLACE NOFRD IN ORDER FOR THE ECONOMY TO START OPENING UP BUT THE BIG IS A VACCINE THERE ARE DOZENS OF RESEARCH TEAMS AROUND THE WORLD WORKING ON FINDING A VACCINE AND THAT INCLUDES HERE IN CANADA FINDING ONE COULD BE THE KEY TO GETTING MORE NORMAL THAN WE WILL HAVE IN THE NEXT NUMBER OF WEEKS THIS IS AN ADJUNCT PROFESSOR WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF SASKATOON HE’S PART OF THE TEAM TRYING TO DEVELOP A VACCINE FOR THE VIRUS AND JOINS ME NOW FROM HIS LAB, WHICH IS VERY COOL GOOD TO SEE YOU >> NICE TO BE ON, THANK YOU >> Rosemary: SO THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO END THE SHOW BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTS TO KNOW HOW CLOSE WE ARE TO A VACCINE WHAT WOULD BE YOUR BEST GUESS HERE? >> OF WHEN WE’LL ACTUALLY BE READY? I THINK NO ONE REALLY KNOWS THAT FOR SURE YET WE’RE CERTAINLY MOVING CLOSER AND FASTER THAN YOU’VE EVER SEEN BEFORE WITH ANY VACCINE, NORMALLY IN THE ORDER OF 10 YEARS EVERYONE TALKING AROUND THE ONE-YEAR MARK THAT WOULD BRING US TO JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR IT SEEMS LIKE THAT IS A POSSIBILITY, AT LEAST TO SOME EXTENT NOT PROBABLY A WORLDWIDE ROLLOUT OF A VACCINE AT THIS POINT, THOUGH >> Rosemary: TELL ME WHAT KIND OF WORK YOU’RE DOING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS MASSIVE WORLDWIDE ATTEMPT TO GET A VACCINE >> AS THE FIRST VIRUSES WERE AVAILABLE — AS SOON AS CHINA MADE THOSE AVAILABLE ONLINE, WE STARTED WORKING ON A VACCINE CONCEPT USING A SIMILAR APPROACH THAT WE USED FOR MERS CORONAVIRUS WE ARE MAKING A VACCINE FOR CAMELS USING THE SAME APPROACH WE’RE MAKING A VACCINE AND WE’VE IMMUNIZED ANIMALS AND SEEN THE

VACCINE AND IN THE PROCESS OF SEEING IF IT’S PROTECTED >> Rosemary: SO THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE HUMAN TESTING? >> SO, THERE IS SORT OF STEPS IN BETWEEN THERE WE WOULD NEED G.M.P., A GOOD MANUFACTURING PRACTISES PRODUCT MADE WE EXPECT TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE DONE IN THE SUMMERTIME, SO APPROXIMATELY IN JULY THAT WOULD THEN BE TESTED AGAIN IN ANIMALS TO ENSURE THAT IT BEHAVES THE SAME WAYS THE EXPERIMENTAL VACCINE AND CLINICAL TRIALS, LOOKING TO FALL >> Rosemary: I HEARD THERE IS ABOUT A HUNDRED PEOPLE WORKING ON VACCINES AND YOU’RE COLLABORATING HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN THE SCIENCE WORLD? >> SO PEOPLE MAINLY GET ALONG, BUT OF COURSE NORMALLY IT’S COMPETITIVE AND YOU DON’T SHARE YOUR DATA UNTIL IT’S ALL COMPLETE AND THEN IT COMES OUT PUBLISHED OR SOMETIMES PRESENTED EARLY AT CONFERENCES BASICALLY NOW PEOPLE ARE PRESENTING THEIR DATA ALMOST IN REALTIME SO AS SOON AS THEY HAVE SOMETHING AVAILABLE, THAT IS SHARED >> Rosemary: DO YOU FEEL SOME PRESSURE FROM ALL OF US BECAUSE WE SO DESPERATELY WANT A SOLUTION HERE? DO YOU FEEL THE WEIGHT OF THAT? >> SURE OF COURSE I WOULDN’T SAY NORMALLY WE WORK SLOWLY, BUT THERE DOESN’T SEEM TO BE ANY IMMEDIATE URGENCY TO WHAT WE DO AND THIS CASE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT IT’S NOT A SCENARIO ANY OF US HAVE WORKED IN BEFORE >> Rosemary: CAN YOU GIVE ME A SENSE OF HOW DIFFERENT IT IS, JUST IN TERMS OF A CHALLENGE FOR YOU TO TAKE ON AS A SCIENTIST? >> RIGHT SO WE’RE DOING EVERYTHING SORT OF AS QUICK AS WE CAN BUT STILL AS THOROUGHLY AS POSSIBLE, SO DEVELOP THINGS — SORT OF THINGS THAT WOULD BE DONE SEQUENTIALLY, ARE BEING DONE ONE ON TOP OF THE OTHER WE HAVE MORE STAFFING TO DO THAT, SO OUR STAFF IS OVER DOUBLE THE SIZE THEY WERE STARTING IN JANUARY AND REALLY EVERYONE IS WORKING TOGETHER AS A TEAM TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD >> Rosemary: SO WHAT WOULD YOU TELL CANADIANS THEN WHO ARE ALL ANXIOUS TO GO BACK TO SOME SORT OF NORMAL, MOVING INTO PARTS OF THE COUNTRY WHERE SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS ARE BEING LIFTED? WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE TO THEM TONIGHT? >> CONTINUE TO FOLLOW PUBLIC HEALTH GUIDELINES, RIGHT THAT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY EFFECTIVE YOU KNOW, NOT EFFECTIVE ENOUGH YET WE STILL HAVE INCREASING CASE NUMBERINGS IN SOME PARTS OF THE COUNTRY FOLLOW THOSE GUIDELINES TAKE IT EASY DON’T BE TOO URGENT TO GET, YOU KNOW, BACK TO WHAT MAY BE YOU WANT TO BE DOING AND REALLY, I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE STAY IN THE PLACE THEY’RE IN THERE IS NO NEED TO BE MOVING ACROSS THE COUNTRY OR MOVING OUTSIDE OF YOUR PROVINCE STAY IN YOUR HOME AREA AND START APPRECIATING THINGS LOCALLY AND APPRECIATING THAT FIRST BEFORE YOU FEEL THE NEED TO TRAVEL FURTHER IF IT’S NOT ESSENTIAL AND REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT IS ESSENTIAL, VERSUS WHAT YOU LIKE TO DO >> Rosemary: THAT’S GOOD ADVICE UNIVERSITY OF SASKATCHEWAN I’M GOING TO LET YOU GET BACK TO WORK BECAUSE IT’S SO IMPORTANT GOOD LUCK NO PRESSURE, BUT WE’RE WISHING THE BEST FOR ALL OF YOU AND THE TEAM THERE LET’S GO BACK TO DUNCAN THAT IS THE SOLUTION, RIGHT, EITHER WE COME UP WITH A TREATMENT OR VACCINE IT IS NICE TO SEE CANADIANS PITCHING IN >> Duncan: IN THIS CONVERSATION I’M STRUCK BY SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE HAD A WRENCH THROWN INTO THEIR SUMMER PLANS, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF RESOLVE AND UNITY EXPRESSED >> Rosemary: THAT IS TYPICALLY CANADIAN THAT IS THE END OF LIVE TOWN HALL IT HAS BEEN, LISTEN, A DIFFICULT FEW MONTHS FOR ALL OF US LOTS OF UNCERTAINTY WE ARE HERE TO TRY TO HELP YOU GET THROUGH IT YOUR QUESTIONS, YOUR CONCERNS, THEY’RE AT THE HEART OF WHAT WE DO WE STILL WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU SEND AN E-MAIL, “THE NATIONAL” IS NEXT FOR DUNCAN AND MYSELF, THANK YOU FOR WATCHING [ ♪♪♪ ]