Understanding China from the Inside Out with Foreign Affairs Correspondent Nick Schifrin

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Understanding China from the Inside Out with Foreign Affairs Correspondent Nick Schifrin

all right um good evening everyone uh thank you all for joining us for tonight’s webinar featuring foreign correspondent nick schifrin i hope that you all are healthy and well and look forward to hosting you all for tonight’s program my name is connie yip and i am the assistant director for programming at the university of chicago center for east asian studies we’re thrilled to present this program in collaboration with the education team at the pulitzer center on crisis reporting the content of this evening’s presentation is particularly fitting given today’s date as it is the 31st anniversary of the tiananmen square protest which occurred on june 4th 1989 we also want to acknowledge that we’re in the middle of a pandemic and protest against anti-black racism across the country and around the world we appreciate that you’re taking time out of your evening to join us if at any time you need to take a break for yourself please do so my name is joy mukherjee and i work with the culture center if you haven’t already please type your name in the chat box i’d like to welcome our special guest nick schifrin i’ll give nick a moment to say hello hi everyone uh nick schifrin here coming at you from my well my office at home i suppose just like all of us uh i’m really looking forward to talking with you and i want this to be interactive so i’ll say this again when i start but uh please interrupt me uh and and uh we can have a conversation um if the mics are open if not we can do this over chat obviously uh but looking forward to talking with you about china and uh and where it’s come in the u.s china relationship and where it’s going great thank you nick let’s take a look at today’s agenda for the first 10 minutes of our time together uh we’ll review zoom features webinar goals and then connie and i will introduce our respective organizations then we’ll move straight into our presentation with nick and as nick said as you have questions go ahead and enter them into the q a box which i’ll review a little bit more in depth in our next slide then we’ll transition into a presentation on classroom recommendations particularly focused on the middle school and high school classroom then we will transition again to our question and answer section where we will try to answer as many of your questions as we can and then finally connie and i will describe education educator resources and upcoming events and there will be a brief survey for all of you to complete that will help us create programming in the future so let’s go to our zoom features so many of you are very familiar with zoom at this point um for those of you who spend 80 of your day on zoom bear with me i do want to review some of the features um that are pertinent to this particular conversation so you’ll notice that your video is off and your microphone is off they are going to remain off for the duration of this webinar you still want you to participate and you can do that using the q a box and the chat box so the chat box will be used to engage in conversation with the community here today we have a really diverse audience and we encourage you to share ideas and comments using these features we’ve also noticed that a lot of educators have shared their ideas on how they want to bring reporting into the classroom and have gotten feedback from their colleagues so we really encourage you to speak and share with your colleagues the other feature that we’re going to use today is the q a box and it’s a place for you to post questions for nick and connie and i will be monitoring your questions throughout the conversation we encourage you to submit questions as they arise and we’ll collect them and bring them up as they’re relevant let’s go over some of the goals today for this webinar so we have four central goals we’ll be exploring the pulsar center’s mission education programs and educational resources we’ll be exploring the university of chicago center for east asian studies mission programs and resources as well we’ll also explore nick schifrin’s reporting project china power and prosperity and then finally we’ll introduce tips on how educators can use nick schifrin’s reporting on china in the classroom now we’re going to hear from connie about the center for east asian studies connie thank you joya so the university of chicago’s center for east asian studies is an interdisciplinary nexus clearinghouse and resource for academic exploration and support related to the study of china japan and korea as a title vi national resource center designated by the u.s department of education we sponsor a variety of activities

including public lectures workshops conferences film series cultural events and k-16 outreach initiatives including events such as this one and then in collaboration with other international area studies centers at the university of chicago we are pleased to support professional development opportunities for educators to examine ways to bring international content into classrooms in these uncertain times it is more important than ever to foster understanding of diverse perspectives both domestically and from across the globe this webinar is actually the first in the three-part series with the pulitzer center and the university of chicago center for middle eastern studies and center for east european and russian eurasian studies entitled global views a summer 2020 series we will have information at the end of the program today about upcoming programming as well as instructions for obtaining relevant professional development credits for illinois public school teachers attending these webinars i’ll just pass things back over to joya thank you connie the pulsar center was founded in response to a changing media landscape more people are beginning their news online and while this means increased access and diversity of voices it also means over saturation this has led to reduced funding for in-depth coverage of systemic global issues as a response to that the political center raises awareness of under-reported global issues through direct support for quality journalism across all media platforms and a unique program of education and public outreach we support journalists covering underreported stories by providing funding for their projects and developing programming to introduce their reporting to the public on the next slide we’re going to see some topics that journalists have investigated with pulitzer center grants i want to take a moment on this slide um for everyone to take a look is there a subject or an issue that is particularly relevant to you and your interests if so share it in the chat box i’d love to get to know you a little bit more and what issues you gravitate to let’s go to the next slide now thank you once journalists publish their work we bring that reporting to classroom and universities across the country driven by a mission to cultivate a more curious informed empathetic and engaged public by connecting students and teachers with unreported global news stories and the journalists who cover them we uphold this mission by providing programming and resources to educators and students in a number of ways first and foremost we offer thousands of articles photos and videos on under-reported issues that are accessible on our website we also have developed hundreds of lesson plans and student contests for educators to bring into their classrooms and for students to engage with we also offer virtual journalist visits for any educator who is interested in hosting a journalist in their classroom and lastly we offer workshops for both students and teachers one of those reporters that we work with is nick schifrin nick is pbs newshour’s foreign affairs correspondent he has created week-long in-depth series for a newshour from russia ukraine nigeria egypt kenya cuba mexico and the baltics the series inside putin’s russia won a 2018 peabody award prior to pbs schifrin was al jazeera america’s middle east correspondent he has reported from more than 40 countries covering every major story in the middle east as well as the war against boko haram in nigeria he led the channel’s coverage of the 2014 war in gaza reported extensively on the syrian war from syria’s turkish lebanese and jordanian borders and covered the conflict in and annexation of crimea he won an overseas press club award for his gaza coverage and the national headliners award for his ukraine coverage let’s welcome nick schifrin again thank you very much uh and um thank you for that kind introduction uh and i’m really happy to be talking to you guys about the next project that was in our pulitzer uh grant uh got about five or six in the last five years which is china power and prosperity uh and you’ll see why we called it that uh as i talk uh for the next 20 or 25 minutes or so uh we did uh two trips to china last year uh and created 10 stories covered everything from xi jinping to uyghurs to hong kong to green cars in china to young and rich and the level of chinese prosperity that is certainly new in the last couple decades compared to

the past and so it is a fundamentally different country uh in the last uh 10 years or so than it has been in the past i think most scholars would agree with that and certainly everybody would say right now that the u.s china relationship has fundamentally changed in the last two or three years and that’s only accelerated because of the coronavirus because of the tensions between washington beijing over cope at 19. and so that’s the frame of what i’m going to talk about for the next 20 or so minutes uh i uh i’m looking at the chat uh and and if there’s a way for for you guys to interrupt so to speak please please try uh otherwise i can just keep going and then we’ll have a q a but i do want to get to that q a to hear your questions and to talk about china but also you know teaching china teaching china and what that might look like um so let’s take a look at what i’m going to spend a little bit of time on probably most time on uh which is um oh that’s right sorry i had a bio um i just well just the bio i wanted to to show a photo of myself uh probably about 14 years ago in baghdad when i had much blacker hair and just mentioned that i started as an overnight desk assistant and i’ve lived in india pakistan afghanistan the uk israel and i’ve reported from more than 40 countries jaya said uh but i put the desk assist in there because i’m actually proud of it um i uh my first job at abc news was from midnight to 9am uh getting people’s coffee and getting numbers on scripts when back when there were scripts um and the anchors actually needed pieces of paper and i used to number them and try not to fall asleep so anyway um on to the content uh and so the main push i want to give you guys is about xi jinping because i think what i’m going to say thematically about xi jinping is actually what china is today and i think there is just no doubt that he is a different kind of leader than has preceded him so a couple of points here i’ve got on the top of there uh strongest chinese leader since now now what does that mean uh so as we all know or probably know german mao created communist china he literally birthed it but not only that he became a tyrant millions of people were killed uh later on but at the beginning that’s that’s what this phrase means strongest leader since mao mao created the idea of what china should be uh in this case the communist chinese party leading modern china he created the notions the philosophy of what post-1949 china should look like uh and while xi jinping would probably disagree with me if you were with us here um i i think it’s pretty clear that xi jinping is trying to create the new rules trying to create the new china trying to create the new philosophies under which china will live uh and so the most obvious one is him he has removed term limits he is the president the commander-in-chief and the head of the party he could be in charge for the rest of his life um and his one of his predecessors deng xiaoping very famously talked about collective leadership talked about no one person being around forever that was a response to what mao did in his later years and deng xiaoping talked about no one person should have all the power uh xi jinping has rejected that and the collective leadership that existed at the top of the communist party uh certainly uh in the 70s and 80s up until tiananmen square which we mourn at an anniversary today but even still that collective leadership lasted through the 90s and 2000s it’s largely gone xi jinping has taken control like i said not only of the army the party um and country as president but the way the chinese government works is there’s lots of leading small group lsgs is what they call it but it’s basically the equivalent of our kind of congressional committees uh and in the past u.s china relations was one of those committees regional relations was one of those committees and every committee would have a different head and they would all report up to the politburo standing committee the seven person team at the top but uh xi jinping is the head of all those leading small groups and so it’ll just give you an example of how much centralization uh there has been and so again the theme

of what i want to talk about is uh what he has done to the country and and what that all means uh and so i’ve put new nationalism revitalized nationalism here uh and just very briefly i’ll just touch on a couple of points on that uh the fastest military modernization in world history is probably china’s in the last 15 years uh you could argue it’s um uh germany between world war one and world war ii and and what hitler was able to create for world war ii but i mean other than that and that’s in dispute it really is the fastest peacetime modernization world history it’s not about increasing the size of the military it is about increasing the quality of the military and the chinese have spent a lot of money and a lot of time doing that and they have catered that modernization specifically to counter the united states you might think that’s obvious the united states is the leading military power in the world and therefore leading military power in the pacific and in southeast asia uh but it’s been very overt how much the chinese military talks about what it’s doing in the context of the united so that st nationalism one thing is is the military uh but the other thing is what i’m gonna call wolf warrior and i and i strongly urge you guys to to watch this movie called wolf warrior two which is the most popular movie in chinese history to say it’s nationalist uh is to call rambo uh you know a 1980s cold war hero i mean that’s the kind of um a sense that that wolf warrior gets across in the country a pr pride in that in that military a pride in the level of economic prosperity that we’ll talk about uh and a pride in world presence and i bring it up specifically and i’ll get to this under covid but there is now a phrase wolf warrior diplomacy so the diplomats in beijing are now dubbed wolf warrior diplomats uh again a proud sense that they can criticize the united states uh and criticize uh anybody who criticizes china and and certainly the uh communist party and i can see that wolf warrior one and two uh are available in the film library so go and watch it um and so that is about uh a notion of what china is in the world um giving out the idea that china is strong china is powerful china is influential china is everywhere that idea existed before xi jinping but the acceleration of it has been dramatic since 2012 since he became president um and i really do think that that’s one of the hallmarks of the xi jinping era and modern china and we’ll go into some of that a little bit more um and so we’ve talked about the military we’ve talked about this notion of wolf warrior and this world presence that we’ll talk about uh and it’s also internal though i mean we really should briefly mention uh that and so one version of it is the silencing of dissent uh whether you are a lawyer uh who has represented critics uh of the government you’re a journalist who’s written critically of the government expose corruption perhaps even if you’re a party member who isn’t falling in line with xi jinping uh a lot of those people have disappeared in in the last eight or nine years the space for descent was never large to begin with it’s virtually zero right now uh and so thematically that descent has come that silence incentive has come along with the return of the party as as prime in the country uh the real use of the party as the guiding light if you will so private companies now have members of the party as part of their boards uh the party is discussed more in public by government officials the party is tied to foreign policy tied to military strategy and so the party itself gains that primacy as the descent is silenced uh and um i’ve given you kind of the military version of xi uh but i could also give you the state media version of xi jinping uh they have called him shidata the best translation for that is papashi it’s not quite father uh it’s not quite dad it’s papa it’s it’s this notion uh that frankly comes out of most authoritarian countries vladimir putin has certainly cultivated this the notion that there is a benign leader at the top who cares about you uh and if there are any problems well certainly the local government screwed that up because if xi jinping knew about what was going on he would fix it and so there is that um

holding him up uh almost a cult of she uh it’s it’s reduced a little bit in the last year but but certainly three four years ago you’d go around and you’d see xi jinping everywhere you’d watch the media it was only xi jinping eating with farmers hanging out with farmers walking the countryside uh and so these are the themes that really run through modern china the notion of xi jinping as the strongest leader since mao the centralized authority of xi jinping uh the nationalism which comes with the military comes with that wolf warrior uh sense of self around the world uh and then internally the silencing of dissent uh and the celebration of she is as papa she so uh for the rest i’m just gonna go through some of these a little faster uh but that’s that’s the real frame that i want everyone to have and we can absolutely uh uh talk about all of these options so uh obviously uh what has accelerated everything when it comes to what china is u.s china relations why you and i are talking like this rather than uh in person i’ve done these events in person in chicago we all miss those i’m sure uh is um you know the the biggest medical crisis in the world uh in 100 years uh which has created the biggest geopolitical crisis certainly between the united states and anyone other than the soviet union probably in 30 or 40 years and so i wanted to stay internal with china for for a minute and just discuss what has and hasn’t happened so there’s a lot of stories i’m sure you’ve read about where covet 19 came from um and what the government has or hasn’t done when it came to covet 19 i want to use a person and i’ll use people throughout the next few minutes to discuss to discuss this because i think it’s the easiest way to understand and to remember so that is dr ifen she is the head of emergency medicine at wuhan central hospital now wuhan is the capital of the province hubei uh this is a big place um you know wuhan has 12 million people 11 million people uh and so when you think about the origins of covet 19 don’t think of like a little village or something this is a major major city um and in the center of that city in mid to late december ifenn and her colleagues start treating what they thought was pneumonia of course it turned out that it wasn’t uh now dr ifenn uh whose name you probably don’t know although maybe some of you who’ve been reading a lot have uh is not as famous as dr lee wen liam he is the man uh who’s described as the whistleblower uh the person who first alerted authorities was silenced and then died from covet covet-19 because as he was treating patients dr lee wen liang got his information from dr ifen and and dr fen gave an interview a few months later of course which has been censored in china in which she said i am not the whistleblower but i provided the whistle and so what she did and this is i think really the key to understanding what china did and did not do when it came to covet 19 in late december she called all of her friends in labs private labs and government labs and says something’s new something’s up something’s different she sent out samples all of those scientists and all of the doctors who worked with her tried to figure out what was happening tried to sound the alarm tried to see hey can we help there were dozens and dozens and dozens of scientists who between december 26th and january 3rd posted into an uh a global database for genomes samples after samples after samples they were coming in every day thanks to dr eifin and her hospital workers who are providing these samples the scientists posted dr ifen other doctors said hey this is going to be human human transmission that was the key this is not just pneumonia this is not just something this is sars they thought it was another version of stars and they pushed the alarm and on january 1st and on january 2nd and on january 3rd the weight of first the local communist party and then the weight of beijing came down and so when you think about what china is today and how it relates to kova 19 i want you to remember dr ifen that i write scientists versus the government the scientists the doctors did in those

first days try and reach out even including to some western scientists and doctors who they had deep relationships with the first people to crack down were the hospital administrators second people to crack down were the local government and then the third was beijing um i will write her name um as requested and the hospital administrators said you don’t know what this is don’t cause panic the local government said you don’t know what this is don’t cause panic and we’ve got a really important communist party event coming up next week so it would really be better if none of this was happening and then a few days later xi jinping and the beijing government says you know would really be better if we don’t quite share as much as we know yet now there’s a lot of dispute about why all of those various stakeholders did that um but i i would argue it’s it’s two things when it comes to local governments in modern chinese history there are multiple examples of local governments being too scared to report up to beijing being too fearful of telling the truth publicly because they have been taught they have been trained not to rock the national boat and not to rock the party’s boat uh and then beijing again the instincts are still even though they have gotten better according to the scientists and the doctors and all the experts i i talked to but the instincts are still cover silence figure it out decide what we want to put out it is the opposite of the culture of reporting up reporting out helping people understand and my little dialogue here has nothing to do with how the u.s responded right it’s it’s another topic i’m happy to engage with that as well and i’m not saying anything about you know the failure of the u.s response subsequently right february march but in early january it’s it’s uh it’s hard to argue that first hospital administrators then the local government then beijing uh really did for a crucial number of weeks instinctually tell everyone don’t share and and what i would say just to to put a cap on this before we move on is i think i reference this local governments have been accused of not sharing in the past uh there was an earthquake 2008 10 000 children died because of badly constructed schools and it took years and it took very very famous activists to to get that information out um but xi jinping has throttled the local governments more than they ever were uh and so um that’s what’s changed and that’s what shifted uh so let me go through a couple other examples of um kind of modern modern china and then we can get to questions so human rights is something that you’ll hear a lot of of of people who um control uh people who criticize the communist party and i see a question uh coming in now uh why don’t i keep going and then i’ll come back to it but please throw out questions and we’ll get to q a formally in a few minutes uh just to briefly touch on a few of these you’ve probably heard more than a million muslim uighurs who live in western china have been thrown what the chinese call re-education camps in fact their detention camps and this is an attempt again to silence dissent and dissent in this case is a whole category of people people who don’t speak mandarin chinese people who are not on chinese the ethnicity of 90 of the country and people who are in the way of expansion plans and that’s how china views its minorities in western china and those are the leakers which i’m happy to talk about more but imagine you’re relatively familiar with them hong kong for the first time since tiananmen square i suppose hong kong authorities today are not allowing a vigil for tiananmen square which has been happening since the massacre and in the last few weeks beijing has created a legislative path to turning hong kong into another city in mainland china when it comes to laws you may know there’s a 50-year deal that china and the united kingdom signed in 1997 uh for

hong kong to maintain its british laws british judiciary even if beijing controlled foreign policy that is being eroded and so the the protests you see in hong kong are fighting back against that and i mentioned journalists and lawyers uh anybody who represents dissidents uh anybody who’s written critically those people end up on the wrong side of chinese authorities and so that is again one of the hallmarks of recent years china but at the same time we have this other huge category which is trade um on the next slide uh and this is what is being lost as a ballast i think this is the most important thing to understand about trade so the u.s complains for years and years and years about chinese trade practices right they said it first started as copycats think of you know i don’t know walmart rather than walmart um you know sports cam not gopro these are things that like we all know right oh it’s a chinese doodad and it looks the same as as a real as the real thing and it’s the price but the us says that converted to industrial theft things like military planes nuclear power plants uh and it accelerated chinese ability and i think that the phase one trade deal is is an example of what has been uh holding the u.s and china together meaning when other things go bad when the human rights go bad when the you know relationship between the heads of the countries go bad we’ve had this integrated relationship between american companies and chinese factories and that’s what the us and china have relied on as a crutch when things got bad in the past that’s what everyone went back to the business community had a big voice and said look you know we have to stay uh close to china we have to keep on our relationship with china because everyone’s making money our stuff in walmart is so much cheaper the supply lanes supply chains are are um are better um everything is more efficient if the u.s and china are economically integrated and that is the deal the bet really that i would argue the late clinton administration and the early george w bush administration made it is the trump administration at the very end of the obama administration that said that’s not really working and so i put phase one still alive uh because frankly um it seems like the president might walk away from it and it seems like beijing might walk away from it so that’s an example of what used to be the ballast in that relationship uh really beginning to erode uh which brings us to the expansion of chinese presence i just want to highlight a couple of people on the right uh so this is the belt and road initiative and i’ll highlight the person on top uh who is minister lujit uh as he’s known that on the left um the left the taller gentleman in the top photo with china’s foreign minister and the bottom photo is the 93 year old former prime minister of malaysia um muhammad and i highlight these two guys because they are a perfect example of what is happening globally right now so luha invited the chinese as you can see uh to build railroads to build uh telephone infrastructure uh huawei i’m sure is something that you’ve heard of quite a bit um you know modern technology into a country that didn’t have it and modern railroads into a country that didn’t have it uh the person on the bottom mahathir when he was re-elected prime minister of malaysia said uh nothing from china is allowed in i’m going to freeze all the contracts and i’m going to stop all of the chinese telecommunications giants from coming in because i don’t trust them and so we can talk more about this but there is a global battle right now between countries that want technology and want infrastructure uh and the chinese are offering it in very uh um uh relatively cheap packages and packages that are better packaged if you will uh than the west has um you know cheaper cheaper uh phone technology 5g that’s subsidized by the chinese government uh loans that don’t have to be paid back for many years uh things that western companies that have to answer to shareholders and markets just don’t have the ability to but mahathir represents what the u.s wants which is the argument that well this might be cheaper but it’s not good for us there’s not enough local workers being employed by

belton road initiative and there’s too much technology going from huawei if you install it in my country back to beijing um but even mahateer points one thing out that the west just doesn’t have the alternative doesn’t have the package of technology the package of railroads uh when um uh the chinese really been doing this for years uh and so that’s you know i think i’ll probably leave it there let me just show you some themes here uh overall just just to keep in mind um you know leadership i talked about xi jinping this national narrative uh the uh the nationalization the nationalism that’s that’s come in economy trade again that ballast that has existed uh being lost uh technology um you know we talked about uh telecommunications artificial intelligence is another one where the west is really trying to push back and china’s pouring money into something and they’re frankly speeding ahead uh and human rights of course civil liberties inside of uh mainland china uh and this um this legislation in hong kong that is eroding the freedoms in hong kong so um i got a little quick there at the end i apologize uh but uh why don’t i uh push it back uh to you guys and we can go through all these questions great before we get to let’s get to some of these questions um connie do you have a question that you’d like to start with um yes i mean considering we are actually um had mentioned uh the tiananmen square massacre and i know that someone asked a question earlier about given president trump’s recent uh desire to potentially have military action here given the recent protest um you know just your thoughts on like you know um why uh you know since um since the 31st anniversary um why maybe something like that in our history has not been brought back up into the current situation um as kind of like a comparison um a comparison to what’s happening in in china or comparison to what’s happening in the west what’s happening here in comparison to how it you know took place in china you know in 1989 so um you know i i’m not a the russians would call it a what about ism um i’m not gonna kind of compare what happened in lafayette park to to tiananmen square you know again i don’t i don’t want to get political about this administration uh beyond what i’m going to say about u.s china relations um but uh you know the some people are making that comparison that you know we had peaceful protesters pushed a lafayette park on the same week certainly and within 24 hours of the administration you know uh very vociferously complaining about what beijing did to peaceful protesters in 1989 what i will say is is what’s happening in hong kong is a sign that there’s very little that the u.s can do to push back against what beijing uh is after and beijing and xi jinping has made it totally clear that hong kong will be part of mainland china i mean that’s the deal they signed and then it would take 50 years uh but xi jinping has has made it very clear he’s not going to wait for 50 years in this legislation that the national party congress um didn’t pass it they they well they passed a legislative pathway to create this legislation um and basically like i said it will create this kinds of surveillance the kinds of stifling of dissent uh the kinds of uh frankly fear among the population that exists in mainland china and that’s what beijing wants uh and what’s so interesting is that the u.s uh you know president trump came out last week and and declared this big response and and said we’re ending the special relationship that the u.s has had with hong kong since the early 90s but beijing will continue to do that and and partially the problem is that the u.s can hurt itself depending on how it responds there’s 1300 american businesses in hong kong tens of thousands of americans live there uh it has been a business safe haven and so far the businesses who are in hong kong have said they will stay despite the national security legislation that beijing is talking about uh and so there’s very little u.s can do to stop

beijing from um from taking over uh the kind of sense of hong kong that that that hong kong has had for so long and and today is a perfect example of that that that for the first time in since 89 that hong kong residents were not allowed to have their candlelight vigil uh in in in a park in the middle of the city uh mourning you know the the 89 crackdown and so that that is the future of hong kong uh whether no matter what we do about it hey thank you nick we have a number of questions about kobe 19 and china so i’m going to ask you a couple we can just stay on this topic for a moment do you have any insight on whether calvin 19 originated in nature or in lab so the easy answer to that is there is no evidence that um covet 19 started in a lab and most scientists believe that most likely jumped from an animal to human in nature somewhere perhaps the so-called wet market which is a bit of a misnomer in the sense that it’s a market that sells lots of things including live animals um but i will say this that what the scientists point out is that it could have spread from a lab that there are and have been problems with biosecurity in china uh but also frankly in other countries uh there was an outbreak uh in the late 70s of a flu that went around the world that came out of a russian lab uh the cdc has admitted that anthrax was leaked from one of its labs and got a bunch of scientists sick so there are a lot of people who are using the lab theory as a cudgel against china as an example although china’s doing a cover-up there’s no evidence there’s no evidence that it came out of a lab but there are scientists who i talk to who do say look it’s possible and when combined with what i’ve talked about about the stifling of descent you know many scientists don’t have the confidence that if it did come from a lab these chinese scientists where it happened would ever be able to admit it um but again no evidence that it came from the lab great thank you nick um one more kovic question what are your thoughts on the impact of kova 19 on altering supply lines from china do you expect the web companies and our government to pull some suppliers back into the us yes yeah the answer to that is yes uh and also um think about what was already happening so even in hong kong with supplies um so about 10 years ago you probably you know have noticed that hey a lot a lot of my stuff is coming from malaysia or taiwan or vietnam the reason that was is that this mecca of supply chains that china became suddenly became a little more expensive you know china was so reliable because it was providing reliable cheap that labor has become less cheap in the last 10 or 15 years the prosperity of china has improved the middle class has been risen up their expectations are higher uh and their abilities are higher and so they are getting paid more than they used to be and so already we saw the beginnings i won’t use the word decoupling um because that’s uh it’s a no-no for many many of these experts who i talk to but the beginning of companies uh separating from their chinese supply chains that’s going to accelerate dramatically now it was already happening covet 19 is going to accelerate it why no abide in administration trump administration uh governor cuomo or newsome or a republican governor anywhere none of them will ever be able to argue that their masks should come from china their you know their gloves should come from china or frankly come from anywhere other than in their backyard or at least europe or mexico or something and so you have the business communities already being worried about chinese labor costs you have the political imperative of needing all of that ppe all of the personal protective equipment and other things to be made in america and you’ve got this political pressure overall that is washington burst beijing and so yes we will see this slow separation it will be slow but the slow separation uh over time of american businesses from their chinese supply chains great thank you i think we have time for two more questions before we jump back into um classroom connections uh it seems to me

this question is from derek zhao it seems to me that a lot of the geopolitical conflicts the u.s has with china is about political ideology different conceptualizations of democracy according to your news reporting how do citizens in china and their everyday lives make sense of democracy yes i mean i’m i’m a i i would never argue that anyone’s culture uh forbids an understanding or an embrace of democracy i i think that’s um i just i just don’t believe that what is happening though is uh as you point out an ideological battle so xi jinping and the communist party frames it ideologically they if you watch um uh chinese state television mandarin but also in english uh you will hear anchors arguing this that you know when covet 19 came from wuhan the strong central government of beijing helped the people of wuhan and then you will see governor cuomo on tv in on this chinese media clip saying where’s the federal government you know where are my ventilators and then cut back to chinese anchor and say see our system is better that’s one side and then you have secretary of state mike pompeo overtly making it ideological and he has been for decades he’s you know this is something he’s always believed in but he’s got the biggest megaphone in the world right now when it comes to china and he says this is the problem with authoritarianism this is the problem with communism the president of course wants to make it about socialism and about part of the campaign and so you have this big ideological argument from both sides the reality of course is a little messier that the u.s china relationship has been lots of things regardless of how much democracy is is in china and the ideological differences between the united states and china has not stopped businesses from relying on china for three decades and so when it comes to chinese people of course they know you know the the some of the systems uh that are in the west uh they’re not allowed to read about everything but they certainly know it exists um and there’s nothing in chinese culture that prevents you know them from understanding or embracing democracy there is though the chinese communist party uh and and if there’s anything that xi jinping shows is it it is that um one of one of if not the main motivators is the survival of the chinese communist party and in xi jinping that means no dissent and certainly not democracy okay um uh thank you nick um just one last question maybe if you could touch on a little bit about the uyghur situation um that’s you know been happening um uh that was a brief question that someone submitted in the q a yeah so i’ll be i’ll be brief um so uh as i as i mentioned before um there are uh about a million maybe more muslim uyghurs and what the chinese government calls re-education camps uh and so this is a culture these are a people that have existed outside the traditional han chinese on chinese is about 90 of modern china uyghurs i think it’s one percent or two percent i forget exactly the number um but uh the chinese government accuses them of being separatists uh and they’ve used certain incidents 2009 it was a big riot um in in the capital of the of xinjiang which is the state in the west where most weakers live there was a riot there a lot of chinese died there are weaker terrorist groups affiliated with al qaeda who have attacked hindu and square and uh and and another couple of famous attacks uh and so what the chinese said what xi jinping’s version of china uh says is i can brook no alternative culture no alternative people that’s what it seems to be the motivation uh and so the uyghurs speak a different language they eat different food they even look different uh you could argue depending on where their ancestry is from the the language is turkic and obviously as muslims they’re there’s they’re in the minority uh compared to uh the rest of the country uh and so they’ve been systematically targeted um thrown into detention camps um whole families have disappeared i’ve interviewed uh women uh woman in her 70s who fled to

istanbul 17 children and grandkids all of them are gone has not talked to them in three years disappeared in the camps detention facilities maybe some of them are dead she just doesn’t know she hasn’t talked to them uh and so it’s it’s really extraordinary um what has happened uh it’s the us calls it cultural genocide and calls it kind of the crime of the 21st century uh and and i should though say you know again the chinese say that these are separatists they’re terrorists and they need to be re-educated literally you need to be taught mandarin chinese they need to be kind of re-educated in in the uh in the realm of the communist party and and so that is what’s happening and and um the chinese now say some of them have gotten out of those camps but uh as far as the international researchers have said uh a lot of people are still missing some of them ended up even forced into uh factories in order to that were started up during covet 19 but we don’t know a lot about what’s what’s happened to a lot of people and it is it is truly shocked great thank you so much nick i want to keep you available to um to add your ideas and your opinions into our classroom connections just a note for attendees i think we’re going to be running about 10 minutes over i do want to make sure that i address um how accessible nate’s recording project is for the classroom so nick’s reporting project china barbers and prosperity is available on the pulitzer website and it’s uniquely accessible to the classroom setting specifically middle school and high school um the structure includes 13 compelling 12-minute video segments with the accompanying transcripts each exploring a separate topic and so the way that this reporting project is organized allows for these different segments to be grouped to focus on different themes the themes for example that nick reviewed earlier or studied as a series in sequence which allows for a lot of flexibility for educators in their approach it also allows for a lot of differentiation and scaffolding because the center of every every piece or every article is a very engaging video you can differentiate to students learning levels as well as their interests the topics of each reporting the topics of each article in each video also cover multiple angles and perspectives which really opens up the content to spirited debate discussion and inquiry project-based learning so definitely an educator has a lot of opportunities in the classroom to incorporate the project in different ways it also finally develops kind of a global competence for our students right a curiosity awareness and interest and how the world works the reporting project takes great pains in connecting the economies and the infrastructures of different countries as well as creating a connection between um technological competition and so it allows for students to understand countries the country’s interconnectedness and fosters a curiosity for cultures and societies outside of our own so those are just elements of ways you can bring this into the classroom if you’re an educator that does bring this reporting into your classroom please connect with me i would love to hear how you do it thank you myra so nick i’m gonna bring this back to you i want to thank you so much for your time today um in the chat box let’s all give him a round of applause thank you so much if you have any final words please share them with us yeah the only thing i’d say is as i usually end with when it comes to these is something really for your students but but for all of us uh is that you know i i really do encourage people to reach out and and i try and help in any way possible um and you know uh i i am here because of my mentors and as my father would say mentorship is the only shortcut to success and so if you think that there’s anyone that i can be a mentor to i i’m happy to do that in any way whether it’s based on the content or just based on my own experiences so anyway so thank you for for listening and i’m always happy to to be in touch with anybody who wants to reach thank you nick we’d like to conclude this webinar today with a brief overview of resources we have for educators and students please stick around for our post webinar survey which can

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